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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by Brildskfjfj »

carlosjobim wrote: post #272
justinclift wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A wedding is one of the most fundamentally public events that have ever existed. Not sure why you think that? Although weddings can be in public places, they don't have to be and it's quite common for only invited guests (ie not the public) to be present.

It's still a public event even if everyone is not invited. English lacks the word to differentiate between "public" as "no secret, out in the open" and "public" as in "free for all and gratis". In this case we're talking about a public wedding as opposed to a secret wedding. Thus: A normal wedding with a normal amount of invited guests is one of the most non-secret events to exist. Asking for no photos is like partic…

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Post by stronglikedan »

randomtoast wrote: post #223

> Publishing someone’s photo online, without their consent, without another strong justification, just because they happen to be in view of one’s camera lens, feels wrong to me We are getting monitored all the time, we are in an age where cameras are omnipresent. Everyone carries one in their pocket in the form of a smartphone, and countless stationary cameras are installed throughout cities. When you walk through st…

> We are getting monitored all the time

That doesn't make it right, so we should keep questioning it until it's right.

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Post by stronglikedan »

octo888 wrote: post #184
1gn15 wrote: post #164

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If someone went up to me and "made their concerns known", I think I'd likely just walk away. It's the best way to defuse the situation.

So point blank refusal to listen to someone's concerns? Very on brand for the society we live in today. As long as something is legal, it's fine right. Also not sure why you assumed there was any situation to be "defused". Weird. I guess you may be the type I referred to in my last paragraph

> So point blank refusal to listen to someone's concerns?

If you know you're just going to remain in disagreement, then hell yes. It's not worth the conflict. Now, if they could point to a law I was breaking, then maybe I'd entertain them for a minute, but this is not that.

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Post by komali2 »

ljm wrote: post #48
crazygringo wrote: post #14

The answer seems pretty simple. Ask your teammates not to take videos, or find a different group or a different hobby. But since they genuinely enjoy posting the videos, and there's nothing wrong with that, you're probably the one who's going to have move on. You're entitled to not want videos of you taken in public places showing up online. But you're not entitled to getting that outcome.

I expect an airsoft venue is actually a private space, not a public one. Airsoft but-actually-in-public would have people concerned about a terrorist attack, not being recorded for insta. To that extent, the hobbyists who like to create content for the internet should be asking for consent since their footage, and arguably their clout, depends on the participation of everybody else in the group. Otherwise they're jus…

> Airsoft but-actually-in-public would have people concerned about a terrorist attack, not being recorded for insta.

I live in Taiwan. My friend and I were drinking beers by the river one night and decided to go on a late night bike ride, maybe 1am. We grabbed citybikes and tooled along the river, which in Taipei in many places is a nice bit of pavement next to massive mangroves and then the river itself. We were coming up on a brushy bit when a squad of completely kitted out soldiers came out of the bush with massive rifles, night vision goggles, full camo, geared to the nines. My buddy and I both nearly fell off our bikes and were immediately thinking the same thing: Oh fuck the PLA is here. Common knowledge is they'd come up that exact river and make straight for the presidential palace if they were gonna do their thing.

Turns out it was just very enthusiastic airsoft players. Apparently you can just play it wherever in Taipei, there's not really rules about it? So people play in the riversides at night.

Their kit was ridiculous. One guy had tracer pellets. They let us wear their night vision goggles and shoot trees. Great time.

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Post by physicsguy »

The thing that I find more frustrating than anything is photos of children. I'm not so bothered about myself.

I have a young child - he's two and a half. Most people are considerate and ask if it's OK to take a photo - and I generally say yes if it's friends - but we were at a wedding recently and a staff member, total stranger, at the venue was laughing at him running around and asked if they could take a picture, and then got stroppy when I said no. I just think it's quite strange behaviour to want to take photos of a child you don't know. It's quite different to the professional photographer taking photos for the hosts in my mind, which you basically accept by bringing your kids to an event like that.

A mum at a playgroup just took out phone and started filming my son playing with her child. My wife asked her to stop and she again got quite stroppy, even though the group explicitly said that photos should only be taken with consent in that space!

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Post by jve »

paulcole wrote: post #195
brna-2 wrote: post #28

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Well, actually this could be just a means of letting people know your preference without direct communication. Maybe it could fall under existing GDPR regulation, as an extended part about a public "non consent" marker. How would you solve the problem in large scale, low effort way?

> How would you solve the problem in large scale, low effort way? The problem is solved in a large scale low effort way (in many places)! If you are in public you can be legally filmed.

- I was at public park. There was an event. I remember there was a warning/poster/whatever - this place features XYZ and is being photographed. If you do not like, do not participate or stand here or something along the lines.

- When kids came to my workplace as part of educational program to show how people work - we gave them out papers, adults had to give approval that their child will be photographed and photo shared on social network. If any would opt out, we would just photograph without him. I think the sole purpose of that event was to photograph on some background with national flag or something and just publish it online.

Sometimes it is ridiculous, but still this thing works like this: the school or kindergarten wants class photo: please sign here that you consent. Basically this photo is not public but limited to families for all the children that attend that class. So seems kind of too much, but ok, can live with that.

I live in EU

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Post by AlecSchueler »

sandblast wrote: post #258
AlecSchueler wrote: post #245

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Why did you say "in the whole EU, I think?" It seemed to imply you grasped the context of the conversation already, but now the thread has taken what feels like a bizarre turn in a recursive direction.

You claim that it is not the case, so I would like you to point out which of these aspects is different in one of these countries. Do you claim it's not allowed to photograph others in public without their explicit consent in Czech Republic, for example?

No, read back on the thread. The person imagined a kind of law that limited public photography except for cases of preventing crime etc. I said it works like that in Switzerland. You said also in the rest of the EU, and I'm pointing out it does not work that way in the rest of the EU, because countries like Czechia are far more lax about public photography than Switzerland or even The Netherlands.

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Post by bluecheese452 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #226
squigz wrote: post #141

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If someone asks you not to record them at their own event , and you do, you're an asshole.

A wedding is one of the most fundamentally public events that have ever existed. The purpose is so that as many people as possible should know that these people are taken. Asking guests to not take photos is such a faux pass that the couple has destroyed their reputation completely. They can have a quiet and private ceremony instead if they have stage fright.

This is one of the weirdest takes I have ever heard.

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Post by everdrive »

Gigachad wrote: post #98
AlecSchueler wrote: post #70

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My own anecdotal experience is that the generational gap is actually the inverse of what was described above. Younger people seem to be very much moree acutely aware of the dangers of publicity and much more guarded about what they do in public if it could potentially end up online.

Everything has moved to private spaces now. Friend discord groups, private social media accounts, etc. The age of posting on Facebook under your real name with privacy settings public is long gone because of the numerous obvious risks. But just being seen in a small segment of a YouTube video with no name is a pretty minor risk.

The private spaces are still at risk. Just one kid needs to claim he was offended and bring a screenshot to a teacher and it's game over for the kids' privacy.
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