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Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by lazyasciiart »

lazide wrote: post #238
kccqzy wrote: post #199

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This is unlikely to be of use to your friends. Companies hide these job openings because they aren't real: they are filled by a real person right now. If someone applies, they won't be hired because there's no extra headcount. They will just be rejected after a resume review. Companies usually don't even extend interviews to such candidates. Applying only delays the green card process of a foreigner since they will n…

So…. Locals shouldn’t delay or poison the process for a foreigner that would take ‘their’ role, while bored on unemployment - why exactly?

Locals who are trying to get jobs for themselves shouldn't be told that they can get a job through this process.

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Post by itake »

bdangubic wrote: post #283

The only requirement for H1B should be that you must get your degree in the United States. H1B’s should not be given out otherwise. It would solve almost all current shortcomings of the program

Many h1bs get masters degrees in the USA, b/c they are lower cost than undergrad, can be done online/remotely, and are higher chance of winning the lottery.

I don't think requiring a US degree would impact even half the candidates.

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Post by pandaman »

lovich wrote: post #275
pandaman wrote: post #244

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It's not just Infosys doing PERM fraud, around 2020 Meta had been barred from filing PERM due to overwhelming fraud. And are there really 85K unique and impossible to find in the US individuals every year? If these exist they will take a small fraction of H-1B allocation and the rest will go to the fresh grads, as it's now.

I’d be fine, as a citizen competing against migrants for jobs, if h1bs were structured so that they A: were the top end pay, so they pushed the pay scale up B: were uncoupled from employment. A company could pay the cost to let someone enter, but that person should be able to jump jobs day 0. I’m not suggesting the specific implementation but I feel like if those two guiding directives were kept, both society and the…

It's fine to have various aspiration for H-1B but the issue in the topical article is, ultimately, with businesses defrauding the United States and getting away with it. Meta got barred from filing PERM for several months and ended up paying $4.75M, which is probably less than it spends for catering per month. Nobody got disbarred, nobody went on trial, so it's just a tiny cost of doing business.

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Post by alchemical_piss »

ab_testing wrote: post #287

I think the hill is trying to create a narrative here. The law specifically states to post job postings in newspapers and it is congress's fault if they have not updated the laws. As per PERM regulations (20 C.F.R. §656.17): For professional positions (those requiring a bachelor’s degree or higher), the employer must conduct two Sunday newspaper advertisements in a newspaper of general circulation in the area of inte…

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Post by whatever1 »

cryo28 wrote: post #256
whatever1 wrote: post #231

For some visa types, companies are obligated to prove that they advertised the position to American citizens. Failed, hence they needed the foreigner. This is a huge dealbreaker for campus hires, and specifically masters/PhDs who are, well, by definition, specialized in their field and hence very rare. So you recruit at her graduation the girl who has done groundbreaking research in deep neural nets and is the key to…

And what percentage of H-1Bs are these PhDs with groundbreaking research backgrounds? The vast majority of the H-1Bs are hired by a handful of consulting firms (mostly indian) to do mundate SWE/IT jobs that don't require any special skills but a few months of bootcamp. Also, don't forget that truly exceptional researchers can self-file for green-card using national interest waiver categories: EB1NIW, EB2NIW don't req…

How does the green card solve my problem as an employer? Should I also force them to get married with Americans so that they have better chances of working for me?

I just want to sponsor a visa for a worker of rare qualifications. If they choose to become permanent residents of the US it’s their choice, and frankly none of my business.

The system we have is insane.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

fijiaarone wrote: post #229
nostrademons wrote: post #27

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I've noticed this as well, but see it mostly as "A players hire other A players, B players hire C players". The top tier of Indian execs/management that I've met will hire diverse teams, just like the top tier of every other ethnicity will as well. There's simply not enough people at the top to put a racial/ethnic/caste filter on it. But then once you get down to the second tier, people will happily hire people like…

That’s extremely racist to assume that Indian execs are all D tier or worse.

That's clearly not an assumption that this sentence is based on: > The top tier of Indian execs/management that I've met will hire diverse teams

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Post by bdangubic »

itake wrote: post #292
bdangubic wrote: post #283

The only requirement for H1B should be that you must get your degree in the United States. H1B’s should not be given out otherwise. It would solve almost all current shortcomings of the program

Many h1bs get masters degrees in the USA, b/c they are lower cost than undergrad, can be done online/remotely, and are higher chance of winning the lottery. I don't think requiring a US degree would impact even half the candidates.

Good point, definitely no online/remote, must reside in the US minimum 2 years to qualify

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cess11 wrote: post #141
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Post by sib »

gp90 wrote: post #186
pclmulqdq wrote: post #137

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How do we draw the line between whatever -ism and Bayesian inferences? You are seasoned manager for years, you found that your fellow countrymen are much more likely to follow your leadership style than any other group of different cultural background. Let's say it's a fact that you identified through years of trial and error. Based on this fact, you decide to hire only certain groups. How is this racism? How is this…

Because, in general, there is more variance within groups than across groups, so you are generalizing that an individual person within a group is more talented / capable / whatever than an individual person from outside that group. Ergo, you are treating that second person "unfairly" due to his / her group membership or lack thereof.
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