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Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by WalterBright »

pyman wrote: post #276
stinkbeetle wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're the ones who have been training the robots.

Although I'm sure @stinkbeatle was joking, I should clarify that most LLMs are trained on books and online articles written by professional writers. That's why they tend to have a rich vocabulary and use things like hyphens. I agree, HN is an amazing community with brilliant people and top quality content, but it's not enough to train an LLM. Last thing. An LLM is just a tool, it can clean up your writing the same wa…

> HN is an amazing community with brilliant people

Correction: bright people

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

p1anecrazy wrote: post #218
Loughla wrote: post #93

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I sat in a meeting with professionals where one person asked for the presentation to be reworded at a fifth grade reading level. He said it with a straight face. I work at a college for fuck's sake.

Isn’t that “ELI5”?

5-year-olds are not in fifth grade.

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Post by prmoustache »

submeta wrote: post #252

The box of pandora has been opened now. There’s no going back. In a few decades writing long texts all by yourself is going be an artisan thing that only a few people will engage in. You will put together your arguments, and an llm will elaborate it. Will humanity become more dumb? Did we get dumber because we don’t do calculus by hand now?

I don't know but I realize that very few people I encounter are comfortable calculating stuff like splitting a bill in a bar/restaurant without help.

I still like doing it, thinking it may possibly aid my brain age better.

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Post by jaysonelliot »

Taek wrote: post #55
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

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Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it, whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it. That's because most keyboards don't have an emdash key, and few people even know how to produce an actual emdash. That's what makes it such a good givea…

Most people probably don't. I'm an editor who's been working in print for years, so the keyboard shortcut for an em dash is muscle memory for me at this point. I have always been a Chicago Manual of Style person, so I don't place spaces around the em dash. AP style guide users do place a space around it.

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Post by lelanthran »

jowea wrote: post #159
milancurcic wrote: post #4

"Recent large-scale upticks in the use of words like “delve” and “intricate” in certain fields, especially education and academic writing, are attributed to the widespread introduction of LLMs with a chat function, like ChatGPT, that overuses those buzzwords." OK, but please don't do what pg did a year or so ago and dismiss anyone who wrote "delve" as AI writing. I've been using "delve" in speech for 15+ years. It's…

Dismissing individual cases of use of those words is probably wrong, but noticing an uptick in broad popularity is very relevant and clear evidence of LLMs influencing language.

> Dismissing individual cases of use of those words is probably wrong, but noticing an uptick in broad popularity is very relevant and clear evidence of LLMs influencing language.

Can't it also be evidence that more and more writing is LLM generated?

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Post by ionwake »

Reminds me of the HN user who commented along the lines of " I am writing a script to remove double dashes. Not because he wanted to use AI output and pass it off as more human, but because he - and I paraphrase -- "wanted to make sure he could apply double dashes as per his usual vernacular".

tldr; There are people even on HN covering up their own AI output under the guise of taking back ownership of literature. Im still taken aback by the audacity of these hoops.

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Post by wink »

bongodongobob wrote: post #22
milancurcic wrote: post #4

"Recent large-scale upticks in the use of words like “delve” and “intricate” in certain fields, especially education and academic writing, are attributed to the widespread introduction of LLMs with a chat function, like ChatGPT, that overuses those buzzwords." OK, but please don't do what pg did a year or so ago and dismiss anyone who wrote "delve" as AI writing. I've been using "delve" in speech for 15+ years. It's…

Delve is especially bad because it was due to World of Warcraft introducing "Delves". When I see something like this that uses delve as an example, you can bet the research is going to be poor.

And it's not even the first MMO to prominently use that word. Although a much bigger target audience with WoW (it's a region in EVE Online)

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Post by wink »

freehorse wrote: post #15

I had first noticed "meticulous" to be used a lot in translations from chinese. Is it sth about chinese itself (that they use sth a lot for which meticulous is the closest translation), or about some translation software that is possibly biased towards such buzzwords when translating to english?

ESL here, not Chinese. I find meticulous to be a perfectly normal word, I think I don't really use it, but I think I read it from time to time, but maybe I just read some sort of publication by a fan of the word? :)

Same for surpass and boast, I think I use "surpass expectations" and I had to think for a moment, I would use 'brag' these days but pretty sure in school I learned boast, which sounds more formal BE to me, but of course I'm just guessing here.

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Post by gosub100 »

milancurcic wrote: post #4

"Recent large-scale upticks in the use of words like “delve” and “intricate” in certain fields, especially education and academic writing, are attributed to the widespread introduction of LLMs with a chat function, like ChatGPT, that overuses those buzzwords." OK, but please don't do what pg did a year or so ago and dismiss anyone who wrote "delve" as AI writing. I've been using "delve" in speech for 15+ years. It's…

There needs to be a clear, succinct name for this phenomena of accusing a person or their work of being AI without proof. This is going to do more damage than AI performing human tasks. Just the mere suspicion that they probably didn't do-the-thing themselves. Anyone, particularly artists, who are "too good" at their craft are going to have their recognition stolen from them.

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Post by wink »

ACCount37 wrote: post #114
bonoboTP wrote: post #102

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> In the "opinion" of ChatGPT, my style of writing is "academic". It may simply be glazing. If you ask it to estimate your IQ (if it complies), it will likely say >130 regardless of what you actually wrote. RLHF taught it that users like being praised.

And, if you want to have some fun, you could give it your writing sample - but say that it's from a random blog post you found online. See what it tells you on that. It really is a shame that an average user loves being glazed so much. Professional RLHF evaluators are a bit better about this kind of thing, but the moment you begin to funnel in-the-wild thumbs-up/thumbs-down feedback from the real users into your trai…

But is it really 100% positive? If you write a paper sounding academic is fine, but not necessarily if you write a novel. Especially if you try to blend in or mimic a certain style.
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