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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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RIP Grissom, White and Chaffee. But the loss of their lives also proves a point: that achievement isn't a function of intelligence but of many more factors like people willing to risk and to give their lives to make something important happen in the world. Loss itself drives innovation and resolve. For evidence, look to Gene Kranz: https://wdhb.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Kranz-Dictum.pdf

In that case, the decision to launch was taken not by the astronauts risking their lives, but by NASA management, against the recommendation of Morton Thiokol's engineers. This was not simply an unfortunate "accident", but an entirely preventable gamble. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Commission_Report#Flawe... > Loss itself drives innovation and resolve True, but did NASA in 1986 really need to learn this less…

Yeah I think they did need to learn it.

They knew they were taking some gambles to try to catch up in the Space Race. The urgency that justified those gambles was the Cold War.

People have a social tendency to become complacent about catastrophic risks when there hasn't been a catastrophe recently. There's a natural pressure to "stay chill" when the people around you have decided to do so. Speaking out about risk is scary unless there's a culture of people encouraging other to speak out and taking the risks seriously because they all remember how bad things can be if they don't.

Someone actually has to stand up and say "if something is wrong I really actually want to and need to know." And the people hearing that message have to believe it, because usually it is said in a way that it is not believed.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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I'm trying to cancel my Claude plan right now, because mid-research I got hit with a one hour time out for the first time, and I realized just how little I need the "expensive" research stuff and just want basic language refinement and some basic augmented knowledge search to get more terms to search the web. And all that basic stuff gets cutoff when you hit some invisible barrier that you have no way of controlling…

i use privacy dot com cards to prevent this issue, takes 2 seconds to turn off the card in my extension

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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I'm trying to cancel my Claude plan right now, because mid-research I got hit with a one hour time out for the first time, and I realized just how little I need the "expensive" research stuff and just want basic language refinement and some basic augmented knowledge search to get more terms to search the web. And all that basic stuff gets cutoff when you hit some invisible barrier that you have no way of controlling…

Went to see if I could cancel my Claude pro plan just now. On billing I see adjust plan button. On that page I can upgrade but no where can I find downgrade/cancel. I checked the account page. I see delete account but "To delete your account, please cancel your Claude Pro subscription first." Update: below the fold at the bottom of the Billing page is the cancel section and cancel button. Update 2: just clicked cance…

i tried this to see if i could get a discount and it just canceled it, lol. i wonder if its bc im a heavier user?

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Things would be much easier if, instead of “unlimited”, companies simply offered great usage limits. Yes, hoarders would still exist, but their impact would be negligible. Even better: provide a counter displaying both remaining usage available and the quota reset time. But companies probably earn so much money from the vast majority of users that having good and clear limits would only empower them to actually benef…

I think the hard part with these ai models is it’s kind of hard to figure out how many tokens you’re going to use, especially as a new user. 4,000 tokens sounds like a lot for instance, but is tiny

While I don't disagree that determining usage is incredibly difficult, it doesn't take a genius to see that something sold "by the million" is something you can expect to to use a lot of.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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I thought you were supposed to be boosting AI? Why are you so bitter? You aren't going to sell any snake oil with this venomous strategy.

I think I started the bitterness. I'm sorry. Everyone has genuine hurt. People who have bought the AI product are hurt because they're weakened and vulnerable by their dependence on buying their own productivity back from a reseller who is now raising the prices. I get cheesed off cause the AI people disrespect hard work and try to devalue its rewards, and that message is just toxic to anyone trying to learn. You can…

No hurt here. I simply reply to low quality posts with snark but also trying to challenge them. You keep responding with projection. I have zero skin in defending what works for me. I am simply pointing out your ignorance is equally as bad as the extreme hype on the other end of the spectrum.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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One does find it occasionally. My mobile phone plan (in Sweden) currently says that I have 774G left of my 25G/month quota for example :)

One might wonder why you pay for a plan with 25 GB/mo when you use so little that you have over 2.5 years of it saved! I thought I had a low usage with my 1.5 years' worth saved. Only reason I paysfor that plan is anything lower and my provider does not offer rollover.

Because it's inexpensive and I'd rather pay marginally over the odds than ever have to think about it (I'm not even sure there was a cheaper plan).

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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One does find it occasionally. My mobile phone plan (in Sweden) currently says that I have 774G left of my 25G/month quota for example :)

Data limits are easier to keep "unlimited" by slowing the speed, which was already finite, to barely servicable levels. If it is clearly laid out this seems a reasonable solution.

If they've ever done that then I've never noticed it - and mine doesn't claim to be unlimited.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

Full disclosure, I'm on the Kilo Code team, but I read your analogy, and I have to respectfully disagree. Musicians don't all use autotune, because autotune is a specalized technology used to elicit a specific result. BUT, MOST musicians use technology; either to record their work, or mix their tracks, or promote their work. You could definitely say "A musician who doesn't post online to a platform or save their work…

I actually agree with you that LLM assistance is inevitable. The fact that we can have small local models is what convinces me that the tech won't go away.

Even if things are going the direction you say, though, Kilo is still just a fork of VSCode. Lipstick on a pig, perhaps. I would bet that I know the strengths and weaknesses of your architecture quite a lot better than anyone on the Kilo team because the price of admission for you is not questioning any of VSCode's decisions, while I consider all of them worthy of questioning and have done so at great length in the process of building something from scratch that your team bypassed.

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