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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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I make better software because I don't think like this.

That's wonderful, I hope someone will continue to pay you for it, and not go for the 80% solution that is 1000x cheaper. If you're a deeply specialized IC, you're probably good. If you write the perfect, elegant, hand-set code to do CRUD or implement run-of-the-mill business logic, probably not.

Your code is slop. Your coworkers can tell that Chat GPT wrote your PR.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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I believe this goes deeper than a simple bait-and-switch. It’s straight out of Silicon Valley’s venture-backed startup playbook: burn money until the world dominance. That’s one of the reasons non-US or non-SV startups fail to compete. Not because their products or services are inferior, but because they can’t replicate this aggressive pricing strategy. They don’t have deep enough pockets to survive until reaching billions of users.

For Claude Code and similar services, we’re still in the very early stages of the market. We’re using AI almost for free right now. It’s clear this isn’t sustainable. The problem is that they couldn’t even sustain it at this earliest stage.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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> the user does face provider switching costs (time and effort), which serves as a mini-moat for status quo provider. When a provider gets memory working well, I expect them to use this to be a huge moat - ie. they won't let you migrate the memories, because rather than being human readable words they'll be unintelligible vectors. I imagine they'll do the same via API so that the network has a memory of all previous…

Unintelligible vectors might be hard to transfer from one of their older models to one of their newer models - so I think the human readable words will remain a bit of a narrow waist in this space for the immediate future at least.

Gemini 2.5 Pro already uses encrypted 'thoughts' in the context window which are not visible to the user. They might be English words, or might be some other internal state vector.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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> we went to the moon We also killed quite a few astronauts.

RIP Grissom, White and Chaffee. But the loss of their lives also proves a point: that achievement isn't a function of intelligence but of many more factors like people willing to risk and to give their lives to make something important happen in the world. Loss itself drives innovation and resolve. For evidence, look to Gene Kranz: https://wdhb.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Kranz-Dictum.pdf

In that case, the decision to launch was taken not by the astronauts risking their lives, but by NASA management, against the recommendation of Morton Thiokol's engineers. This was not simply an unfortunate "accident", but an entirely preventable gamble.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Commission_Report#Flawe...

> Loss itself drives innovation and resolve

True, but did NASA in 1986 really need to learn this lesson?

This isn't (just) rocket science, it's the fundamentals of risk liability, legality and process that should be well established in a (quasi-military) agency such as this.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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E.g.: Apple's new "iCare" offers "unlimited" repairs by subscribing for 20 USD / month! - note: "unlimited" does not mean free. quote source: "Apple Just Found a Way to Sell You Nothing" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytkk5NFZGjs

Pretty typical of Apple, and the reason for so is its users, whole world knows that Apple can charge premium and sometimes deliver it, sometimes cheaper competition is better or more durable. Don't blame the company, it acts within boundaries allowed by its paying customers, and apple customers are known to be... much less critical of the company and its products to be polite, especially given its premium prices.

> and apple customers are known to be... much less critical of the company

This is patently false and has been for the whole existence of Apple. Apple customers are voraciously critical of the company. Just probably not under the delta of importance that you consider.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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I would absolutely do this if I ran anthropic. Of course unlimited implicitly means “unlimited without abuse.” There are always these “power users” who run it 25/8 and use all the resources, or sell access to others. To Anthropic: of course the “power users” are also going to be the top 5% of extremely online folks who are going to angrily pen long form tweet storms and this whole thing will die down soon for the oth…

> Of course unlimited implicitly means “unlimited without abuse.” So, not unlimited? Like, if the abuse is separate from amount of use (like reselling; it can be against ToS to resell it even in tiny amounts) then sure, but if you're claiming "excessive" use is "abuse", then it is by any reasonable definition not unlimited.

> So, not unlimited?

Correct, not “unlimited” as in the dictionary definition of unlimited. Unlimited as in the plain meaning of unlimited as it is commonly used this subject matter area. i.e., Use it reasonably or hit the bricks, pal.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#278

I'm trying to cancel my Claude plan right now, because mid-research I got hit with a one hour time out for the first time, and I realized just how little I need the "expensive" research stuff and just want basic language refinement and some basic augmented knowledge search to get more terms to search the web. And all that basic stuff gets cutoff when you hit some invisible barrier that you have no way of controlling…

Went to see if I could cancel my Claude pro plan just now. On billing I see adjust plan button. On that page I can upgrade but no where can I find downgrade/cancel. I checked the account page. I see delete account but "To delete your account, please cancel your Claude Pro subscription first."

Update: below the fold at the bottom of the Billing page is the cancel section and cancel button.

Update 2: just clicked cancel and was offered a promo of 20% off for three months...

Update 3: FYI, I logged in to my Claude account via computer (not iOS or Android).

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's wonderful, I hope someone will continue to pay you for it, and not go for the 80% solution that is 1000x cheaper. If you're a deeply specialized IC, you're probably good. If you write the perfect, elegant, hand-set code to do CRUD or implement run-of-the-mill business logic, probably not.

Your code is slop. Your coworkers can tell that Chat GPT wrote your PR.

That's alright Jenny, we all use agents here for development. But don't you fret, you and your handcrafted artisanal code will always have a place in the world, just as painters do.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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I'm trying to cancel my Claude plan right now, because mid-research I got hit with a one hour time out for the first time, and I realized just how little I need the "expensive" research stuff and just want basic language refinement and some basic augmented knowledge search to get more terms to search the web. And all that basic stuff gets cutoff when you hit some invisible barrier that you have no way of controlling…

Went to see if I could cancel my Claude pro plan just now. On billing I see adjust plan button. On that page I can upgrade but no where can I find downgrade/cancel. I checked the account page. I see delete account but "To delete your account, please cancel your Claude Pro subscription first." Update: below the fold at the bottom of the Billing page is the cancel section and cancel button. Update 2: just clicked cance…

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