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Cinematography of “Andor”

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Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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What I don't understand is how film crews can work together when they are larger than two pizza teams? And when they want to change something, it's almost like they just do it? Surely they have to file a ticket with the Product Owner first? And why don't they wait until the current sprint is done before doing things that clearly belongs to the next one? Why do the producer run around speaking in precise terms when he…

Perhaps you're confusing planning with execution.

All the things you're describing -- in the spirit of tickets, sprints, etc. -- do happen. They're called pre-production. It takes years (months if you're lucky) to set up how everything will run on set. Producers have a huge list of actionables (tickets), and there is constant iteration (sprints) of parts of the script, of what the film's visual look will be, the tone, figuring out the budget, the crew, etc. And there are huge differences in responsibility between producer and director. A producer doesn't "run around speaking in precise terms" when that would step on the feet of the director, the cinematographer, etc. That would be micromanaging and unprofessional. The producer does very much stick to "user stories". When film crews want to change something, they don't "just do it". They very much do check in with the director or showrunner.

I suspect you're talking about execution, where everyone does "just do" things. When filming, every minute counts and shit needs to get done. Yes, every single person is tremendously empowered to do what's right, within their remit. But that only works because preproduction already worked out most of the kinks, and they should all basically be on the same page. But even then, things constantly go south. Shots take hours to set up and then turn out to be wrong for an infinite number of reasons. There are endless compromises. And during that process, only one person is in charge -- the director -- because they have to make a ton of decisions to compensate for all the things going wrong. So it's teamwork... but it's also a dictatorship and once the director makes a decision after collecting the input they want you do not argue.

You seem to be under the impression that film production is somehow more individually empowering or trusting than software development. It's not.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Andor is shot beautifully but it has a major issue that has plagued an increasing amount of shows recently. It is way too dark. The creators knew it was going straight to streaming and was never shown in theaters. I can’t watch the show in the daytime because even with my blinds down and curtains drawn the window in my living room washes out half of the scenes. Some very important things happened in the dark (it bein…

you might have misconfigured HDR in your viewing setup, even if you don't have an HDR display.

a lot of video players don't get it right consistently codec-to-codec, even the gold standard FOSS classics (VLC, MPV) and wrappers like iina on mac.

i typically use iina and vlc as fallback, but wasn't able to get either to play correctly, even though they're fine players for some other examples. i wound up subbing to disney plus for a month to watch it properly.

if you're viewing MKVs of unknown provenance, use an HDR version to ensure it's not a bad encode. if you're not viewing on an HDR display, double-check that tone mapping is enabled and configured correctly.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

#293

Andor is shot beautifully but it has a major issue that has plagued an increasing amount of shows recently. It is way too dark. The creators knew it was going straight to streaming and was never shown in theaters. I can’t watch the show in the daytime because even with my blinds down and curtains drawn the window in my living room washes out half of the scenes. Some very important things happened in the dark (it bein…

I had the opposite opinion of Andor's cinematography. On a nice OLED, everything looked so gray and flat because most scenes were devoid of true dark blacks or bright whites or vivid colors; like every detail on every scene had to be softly uniformly lit so it could be seen. All the beautiful shot composition was defeated by the color grading and lighting that just screamed that it was targeted towards lower common denominator streaming quality screens and not theaters.

Whole time I thought there was really no point watching on an OLED or in HDR cause it's not taking advantage of either.

You can even see it on the photos in the article. The BTS photographs have contrast and blacks while the stills from the show are muted and gray.

The whole series basically looked like it was trying to recreate the "Shot on Google Pixel" look and completely opposite of HBO's black on black on black.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

#295

What I don't understand is how film crews can work together when they are larger than two pizza teams? And when they want to change something, it's almost like they just do it? Surely they have to file a ticket with the Product Owner first? And why don't they wait until the current sprint is done before doing things that clearly belongs to the next one? Why do the producer run around speaking in precise terms when he…

In film, they say "we'll fix it in post" as a joke. In software development, they treat it as a reality, except they never get around to it.

This is how software development compares to other fields: https://xkcd.com/2030/

Software development really has gone off the deep end. In any other field, people actually document what they do, and verify that it works, before releasing anything. Restaurants have recipes and food handling requirements, manufacturers have tolerances and verification, architects have building code, warehouses have inventory management, and so on and so forth. Because non-software development relies on products that actually work, and are not built around the meta game of abusing arbitrary metrics, workers can rely on other departments to make sensible choices.

Fun fact: Waterfall development never existed; it's a straw man argument against the common sense idea of finishing what your working on, before starting something new.

AI is going to pop the bubble of software development, not because it's good at it, but because because the entire field is too broken to compete against it.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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What I don't understand is how film crews can work together when they are larger than two pizza teams? And when they want to change something, it's almost like they just do it? Surely they have to file a ticket with the Product Owner first? And why don't they wait until the current sprint is done before doing things that clearly belongs to the next one? Why do the producer run around speaking in precise terms when he…

Entertainment is not critical.

Neither is most of software.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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>> But at the same time, I’m so happy that the digital revolution happened. It’s a bigger toolbox for your creativity, especially for night scenes. It’s much easier to light something natural, and to do something with less. No. This is why everything is so dark. With film, cinematographers had to hedge their bets. They could not risk a scene being too dark, something they would not be sure of until the film was devel…

A lot of stuff is dark and a lot of sound is muddled. My hearing isn't the very best but I've sort of surrendered and just use close captioned for everything.

I echo the sound/dialog complaint for Andor as well. I think it's one of the few high production budget shows in recent memory that sounded like it was mixed for 2.0 audio.

Watching on my 7.1 setup was actually more annoying than watching on my computer with 2.0. There's a very obvious bass-boost as if they assumed there isn't subwoofer in the setup, and dialog didn't get any clearer with a dedicated center, it was still kinda floaty across the front. Surround channels just sounded like they echo'd the L/R channels.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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I imagine this to greatly idealize the film industry, I mean, Tony Gilroy did have to “file a ticket with the product owner” to put the word “fuck” in one of the episodes and was denied. If you have a lot of cred you can get Final Cut and creative freedom, but I imagine most film productions are as bad if not worse than your average scrum experience. Not the least of which, if you screw up a release in your software…

I've never watched Andor but I can't imagine any Star Wars content with profanity. There's nothing wrong with profanity. Many of my favorite movies and TV shows have it in spades. I just don't see it fitting in with Star Wars .

Though a single "fuck" at this Jedi children scene in Revenge of Sith wouldn't be out of place.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Don't have much to add as a rube but Andor is the best TV I have ever watched. Not just in the Star Wars universe.

Just for calibration what’s your second favorite TV show of all time?

Not OP but Andor is definitely "up there" for me.

My two favorite shows ever are Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (w/ Alec Guinness), The Wire, The Simpsons seasons 1-8.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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I watched it for the first time immediately after finishing Andor. Definitely better than the other Star Wars films but definitely not as good as Andor. (I'm aware the showrunner of Andor co-wrote Rogue One, but Andor really seems like a different tier.)

You guys are excluding the George Lucas movies from discussion right? In my opinion nothing ever came even close and I gave up on SW after the second Kylo Ren movie. Rouge one was cool though, also first episodes of Mandalorian.. Should I really try Andor after all the bad stuff Disney made? A few days ago I watched the new LILO and Stitch and that was great, so maybe good people still work at Disney …

I didn't really think Rogue One was anything special and thought sequel movies were trash, but I still watched every Andor episode as it came out, it is really good.
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