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Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by JohnBooty »

philipkd wrote: post #281
theshrike79 wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you get enough karma, you can "flag" submissions. If enough people flag a submission, it gets buried and won't show up on the front page anymore.

And just to clarify, if enough people flag submissions, but not enough people, then it can get buried but not get the "flagged" tag? Because very few of the DF posts actually seem to get that tag. But maybe even some light flagging, plus high engagement-to-view ratio (esp. if engagements go many levels deep fast), may cause some "unwanted" content to be buried.

    And just to clarify, if enough people flag submissions, 
    but not enough people, then it can get buried but not get 
    the "flagged" tag?
As far as I know, this has not been definitively stated by the mods, but it seems very plausible.

As far as I'm concerned it's either that, or explicit moderation action to downweight links to DF and other selected domains.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by JohnBooty »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #244
pb7 wrote: post #195

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[flagged]

You're right — I mean I shouldn't't have used the word 'popularity'. I'd say their positive image though has lost a good deal of its shine since their peak.

    I'd say their positive image though has lost a good 
    deal of its shine since their peak.
I don't necessarily disagree, but I'm also not sure that this would lead to a decrease in engagement. I could very easily see the opposite being true -- more discontent equals more engagement.

Many/most people in tech have to deal with Apple in some capacity even if they're not users or "fans", such as making sites/apps work on Apple platforms.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by xcrunner529 »

ryandrake wrote: post #182
steveBK123 wrote: post #178

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I think from the way stuff is getting flagged & the comments, it's really a change in the user base becoming slowly less techo-anarchist/libertarian and more rightwing/authoritarian curious. Something really in the water the last few years in tech circles. Or maybe just disgruntled as the stock compensation infinite money printer has ended.

I'd love to see the results of some kind of sentiment analysis on HN comments over time. My hunch is that HN's user base has gotten deeply more rightwing over the years, similar to what's happening in many other online communities. Related to getting more rightwing: I'd also guess (without knowing the data) that the flagging:user activity ratio has steadily grown over the years. HN users are no longer willing to simp…

> We are becoming more interested in attempting to silence these comments/articles via flagging.

Which as always, is such a tell from those supposedly all about free speech and no censorship. You have Elon banning whomever he disagrees with or makes him look like a fool, press kicked out or people/companies critical of Trump essentially blackmailed. It's dangerous.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by xcrunner529 »

CarlitosHighway wrote: post #288
proline wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you looked into how much of DF was about Apple and how much was about Donald Trump during the affected time periods? It seems that you write about tech a lot less and politics a lot more. Which is fine, it's your blog! But don't expect tech enthusiasts to automatically be interested in your opinion on immigration or whatever.

This touches on the actual reason, IMHO. A significant number of HN users is obviously leaning towards supporting the cult, and of course do the part which cult members are supposed to do - scour the internet for inconvenient speech and then downvote, barricade, and whine.

Yep, all while shouting "free speech, no censorship" and claiming to abide by the constitution. How embarrassing for them.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by xcrunner529 »

philistine wrote: post #249
js2 wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is paranoid conspiracy-theory stuff. Or it's bait. It's also not falsifiable. Dang can disclaim it but Gruber's next step would just be to write "of course dang would say that." Frankly, I find this submission and Gruber's followup insufferable and it makes me want to read him less. I say that as a regular reader of his blog who's purchased several of his t-shirts over the years. But really, these posts alone ma…

Gruber's There is something rotten in the State of Cupertino is one of the most excoriating Apple take in years, in large part because it comes from Gruber. Why was this not front page !?

And has been around everywhere else. It's not even defensible. Something is rotten in Hacker News too and unfortunately for the cabal, Gruber wrote a very popular article that shined light into their back room dealings.

Guarantee you it's more popular than the million "nautil.us" or whatever junk posted here.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by xcrunner529 »

graeme wrote: post #241
js2 wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is paranoid conspiracy-theory stuff. Or it's bait. It's also not falsifiable. Dang can disclaim it but Gruber's next step would just be to write "of course dang would say that." Frankly, I find this submission and Gruber's followup insufferable and it makes me want to read him less. I say that as a regular reader of his blog who's purchased several of his t-shirts over the years. But really, these posts alone ma…

I don't think it is. The moderation guidelines explicitly say there can be site weightings. I think it's likely there is a negative site weighting on Daring Fireball and multiple other sites. My guess would be it was algorithmically applied based on past tendency for them to gather early flags or flamewar comments, rather than personal animus. Why there would be a site weight rank is not falsifiable except by the mod…

How libertarian not to make those rankings public and open...

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by xcrunner529 »

theshrike79 wrote: post #75
0898 wrote: post #71

Why is this article flagged? Hacker News and Daring Fireball have so much in common: 1. Both long-running sites 2. Both serve a curious and tech savvy audience 3. Both run zero graphics 4. Both appreciate / provide long-form journalism They should be fine bedfellows. What's going on?

My bet is that there are actual people with enough karma automatically flagging every df post without considering the content for a second. Would be cool if @dang could check the flagging data in the articles since the massive drop in 2021 and see if there are any patterns (same people doing the flagging for every article).

They're conspicuously silent. A coward.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by xcrunner529 »

rchaud wrote: post #119
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlikely. “Rotten in Cupertino” was a bombshell and this forum should have been where the most insightful discussion took place. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43348891

A 'bombshell' to me would include some original journalism, details we weren't otherwise aware of. I read that article, it is basically an essay about a guy realizing that the pedestal he puts Apple on may need some recalibration, just because their AI product sucks. Apple Maps in 2011 sucked too, the company is not immune to putting out crap.

As opposed to slop on medium and nautil.us constantly posted here lol. (or wikipedia)

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by xcrunner529 »

iambateman wrote: post #43

My personal guess is… I bet flags weigh more from high karma users. It seems likely that there is a small, dedicated band of anti-DF users with high karma who flag everything. It probably only takes a few people with enough karma to kill a post, which is consistent with the fact that some posts have a reasonable half life. I don’t think it’s a formal gray list.

Which is a problem and perhaps there needs to be big "resets" of karma when you turn into a cabal. Wikipedia wouldn't work if it was run mostly by people like this, and I am sad to see it going in that direction too.

Re: The Website Hacker News Is Afraid to Discuss

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Post by xcrunner529 »

robenkleene wrote: post #148
erickhill wrote: post #48

People on HN are human beings, and there are definitely Apple tribes and non-Apple tribes. Gruber also posts more now than in recent memory political observations and commentary. As he's gotten older his blog has expanded beyond just the Apple scene. While I've always felt DF got insta-banned by fanbois of other tribes regardless of the content of his posts (which should be discouraged here in some way imo) it's quit…

Can anyone name another company that has something similar to a "non-Apple tribe"? And if not, why not? Which is really the question I can't figure out, why Apple makes some folks so angry and the same doesn't happen with other companies. (Preempting the only example I can think of, would be Internet Explorer, circa ~2000, which isn't really comparable because no one was defending IE then.)

The Xbox brand for awhile. Taylor Swift these days for you know, speaking her mind as a woman, etc.
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