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Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by 1over137 »

mogall wrote: post #280
1over137 wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There's nothing european about this. / "Yeah but it's a european company so!" You are contradicting yourself. There is something European about it. Anyway, as long as it's not from the USA, it's a win.

I don't care. It's a chinese product, i refuse to take anyone who says otherwise seriously. European products are made in europe, not china.

Sure. But what is the reason sites like this are popping up? Which county is threatening to take over Greenland "one way or another"? Not China. Which country has invaded multiple countries over the last decades? Not China.

Which is the lesser evil, really?

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by pjc50 »

RobotToaster wrote: post #212
ChocolateGod wrote: post #67

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Whilst a good idea, no politician is going to try and do it under the fear of reigniting the Brexit argument which ends up dominating politics in the country.

Most people who voted for Brexit were mostly concerned about free movement of people, not goods. I doubt a free trade agreement would upset them too much . If the EU would accept a FTA without free movement of people is another matter.

> If the EU would accept a FTA without free movement of people is another matter.

Absolutely not. This was made clear repeatedly. What became clear in the UK was that we'd rather lose market access in order to appease people with an irrational hatred of our fellow Europeans.

If people think trade and movement boundaries are good, why don't we have internal ones? Why should Mancunians be allowed to take up scarce housing in London?

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by ruszki »

zwnow wrote: post #285
DaveMcMartin wrote: post #225

It’s genuinely sad to see the world splintering into waves of nationalistic protectionism. Not long ago, we had something promising, a slow but steady crawl toward a united global community. Progress was gradual, sure, but it was real. Countries could specialize and trade freely: I’d buy your chips, you’d buy my steel, and we’d both come out ahead. It worked. Now, though, it’s all about "national sovereignty" and "in…

Nah protectionism is really important. Globalization introduces dependencies and therefor allows countries to easily exploit others. Globalization is not as good as you describe it.

Does dependency make wars less probable? Genuine question. Logically it should, but I don’t know the numbers.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

pjc50 wrote: post #289
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Germany ending the 'debt brake') are happening now. Now what exactly they're goanna do with the extra debt is the question. More debt to fund innovation, infrastructure, defense, education and healthcare is welcome, but if it's just more debt to fund welfare and pensions, like Southern Europe, then nothing will improve.

It's to fund re-armament.

The other question is why did Germany/EU disarm in the first place when the US didn't, despite not living next-dorr to Russia?

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by dumbledoren »

zkid18 wrote: post #190
mertbio wrote: post #3

If you are advocating for European products, I would expect you to use Plausible or similar products instead of Google Analytics. This would allow you to avoid displaying the cookie banner.

folks mess "cookie banner" with "consent banner". many people do conflate them, but in some jurisdictions (e.g., the EU under GDPR), a "cookie banner" typically includes a consent mechanism. if you're tracking users for analytics using cookies, fingerprinting, or any other method that identifies them (even probabilistically), you generally need explicit consent under GDPR and similar privacy laws. The key point is th…

> The key point is that it's not just about cookies; any persistent tracking requires consent.

The law mandates that you inform the user if you are setting any type of cookies. So its necessary to have a banner even if you don't need to get consent. You could inform the user in other ways, but cookie banners are easier.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by rcdwealth »

pjc50 wrote: post #287
Pet_Ant wrote: post #232

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The problem was that the people that benefitted most from free trade never do the work to ensure that a fair share of the profits went to the working class who were now being displaced. If you can no longer get lifelong middleclass job with a high school diploma, but you need a degree, then the degree should be paid for by the state... or you see what you see, a race to the bottom and then a backlash.

The greatest number of people benefiting from free trade in this instance have been Chinese. Within America, the beneficiaries seem to have been farmers - China is a major US export market as well as an import market, people keep forgetting these things have two sides.

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Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by dumbledoren »

TrackerFF wrote: post #87
h1fra wrote: post #38

I'm always sad that very successful European companies got fully incorporated in the US: datadog, algolia, dataiku, dashlane, etc. Also it seems to be missing some techs company: pigment, aircall, contentsquare (but not sure if it's a mistake)

The difference between US and Europe: - In Europe, getting funding is literally like pulling teeth. Just to get a measly hundred thousands of € in funding you're expected to provide a comprehensive business plan, financials, etc. that would rival M&A due diligence other places. In Silicon Valley you can get more funding by simply meeting the right angel investor, and providing a good pitch - done deal. - In Europe, t…

> - In Europe, getting funding is literally like pulling teeth.

Because Europe was not able to print unlimited Euros to flood its economy with free cash like how the US was able to do it thanks to the reserve currency status of the dollar. But no worries - now that dollar's monopoly is ending, the American investment landscape is also coming down back to Earth. US startups and companies wont be able to burn endless amounts of shareholder/investor money to out-compete and kill all competitors anymore. That should allow all regions in the world to be able to compete.

> That was at least how things used to be. US has a long, long history of (risk willing) VC investments - while European countries have been lagging far behind > Europeans hate risk

Right, that's because Europe did not have zirp-enabled free cash. You can dump millions on all kinds of ideas including dumb ones when you have free cash and still see 1% of them make it big even if 99% of them fail. But when you don't have free cash, you have to be careful.

So finding investment wasn't a problem or issue of the European culture or business landscape. The US being able to burn cash on even dumb ideas thanks to zirp made it appear like it was a problem.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by dumbledoren »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #101

Breakups are painful. A great battle is afoot on the "data sovereignty" ground, for sure. It's over a year since I spoke at Cloud Native Media [0] on the urgent need to extricate sensitive processes and data from US American companies. At the time there were a few angry reactions - mainly from people accepting the risks for the first time and acknowledging how deeply enmeshed/dependent their operations are. Most of t…

> It's March 2025 and the US has gone full-fascism.

It's amazing to see people say things like this as if the US was any different before. Trump just put an honest face on fascism and imperialism. Before, they were exercised in a 'polite', polished manner. Even by Obama who stomped down the Occupy Wall Street.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by dumbledoren »

tacker2000 wrote: post #136
reaperducer wrote: post #126

I think this is useful more than just actual Europeans. I'm an American, and my wife and I have been looking at "Made in…" labels on our products for decades. Not as a geopolitical protest; just as routine intellectual curiosity. Over the last five years or so, we've noticed a significant shift in the locations listed on the things we buy. A lot of what we buy used to read "Made in China" (and before that shift, "Mad…

Turkey is not part of the EU.

It has a customs union.
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