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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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tlogan wrote: post #137
fn-mote wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please be specific about what you think is dishonest. It sounds like you are conflating a planned information removal with some unspecified amount of upgrade time? Those aren’t equivalent to me.

The specifics: The data is not disappearing. The data and the related tools have been temporarily removed to be cleaned and brought into compliance with Trump’s executive order (basically removing “gender” or replacing it with “sex”) That should be the intellectually honest title and that is what is happening. So lets check in 3 weeks. If data and tools are not back then we can say and complain about data disappearin…

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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by watwut »

Xunjin wrote: post #224
chinathrow wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, being a Musk supporter is nothing to be proud of.

Indeed it is, but maybe is time that we detach a person from their proposals. I wonder how that would be achieved.

First step would be to apologize to a trans woman for unleashing campaign of harassment for making a small ad for a beer and campaign to boycott that beer. You know, for making them first example of what you will do to those who do not sign to your gender idealogy.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by vitus »

seabass-labrax wrote: post #248
NickC25 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the question will be, after four years, will they abdicate their power or concentrate it? You honestly think that's a question? Power corrupts. You saw Trump, who in 2016 said he'd get everything done so he'd see no need to run again, he'd have Made America Great Again. He then tried to rig the 2020 election so he could stay in power, despite saying "if I lose the election you'll never hear from me again", and 4 ye…

I know that Trump was something of a bad loser when Biden was elected, and that he encouraged the riots on Capitol Hill, but I had not heard (from the media media here in Britain) that he attempted to rig the election. Could you provide a source for this please?

Possibly a reference to the fake electors plot [0], although there was also the phone call to the Georgia secretary of state asking him to find 11,780 more votes [1], the pressure he applied to his VP to reject the election results [2], the subsequent Jan 6 riot that disrupted the certification...

At least some of these were covered by BBC [3, 4].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_ph...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pence#Vote_counting_and_s...

[3] https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55524838

[4] https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55559172

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by watwut »

Xunjin wrote: post #215
CalRobert wrote: post #5

This is part of a broader rolling catastrophe. Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-01-31/exclus... Nasa took down their applied sciences page and is evidently scrubbing the data https://www.reddit.com/r/gis/comments/1icqchv/why_is_the_nas... ( https://appliedsciences.nasa.gov/ ) Lots of other data sets are disappearing too: https://ma…

The "defender of free speech" is censoring data? Who ever thought about it? A lot of "woke" people warned it but several ignored as being "political speech" now we pay the consequences.

Only paranoid SJWs called Musk a right wing person and here we are, watching Musk fund extreme right clearly proving them wrong. Those SJW were doing this thing whole my life, seems to me. There was always outrage about them accusing an innocent person of bad stuff ... only to turn out they were actually right.

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Post by ryandrake »

chasing wrote: post #286
pphysch wrote: post #279

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Maybe deep in Bush Jr's admin, when Colbert said this

Certainly this sort of data isn't disappearing because it makes Trump look good. Anyway, he's pissed about COVID-19 and instead of working to prevent future epidemics he's working to retaliate against those who embarrassed him. Pretty simple stuff. The man does not have the depth that he and his followers believe he has.

It's pretty much as simple as this. Everything he's done so far has been a petty attempt to get revenge on people he perceives as his political enemies. This isn't some vast conspiracy to avoid fact checking. He's got a checklist of the people and institutions who he thinks made him look silly last time, and he's just going down the list. Somehow, none of this vengeance is improving the price of eggs, either.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by nickff »

timewizard wrote: post #289
nickff wrote: post #276

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Assassination and suicide both seem non-defensive, unless you use a very broad definition of defense.

Suicide is more common than homocide. By a factor of 2 to 1. Murder is more common than self defense. By a factor of 10 to 1. In all cases you are highly likely (>90%) to be on a first name basis with the person that kills you.

It should also be noted that uses of guns in self defense (e.g. “pulling a gun”) not involving any injuries or deaths are not well-tracked (though they’re estimated to be much more frequent than instances involving bodily harm).

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Post by ryandrake »

phillipcarter wrote: post #127

This is a blitzkrieg campaign designed to try and get Musk and his people as much control of the digital government as possible before the roadblocks (legal, systematic, etc.) make things too difficult for him. As it stands, his goal is likely a purge of the federal government akin to what he did with Twitter. And the resulting 80% drop in revenue by Twitter is a similar kind of outcome we can expect from his careles…

Except of course, instead of a company nobody cares about losing advertisers and money, lives are going to be lost. The stakes are higher when you start dismantling critical institutions and stuffing them full of loyal incompetents.

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Post by cle »

breadwinner wrote: post #240

Data is the ultimate Fact Check. This is a President that's adamantly opposed to fact checking [1] and has even coerced Facebook to drop fact checking. Of course they don't want data on government sites that disprove their "alternate facts". [1] https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4920827-60-minutes-tru...

> Data is the ultimate Fact Check.

This is wrong IMO. Data can be missing, incomplete, biased, skewed, and even just plain wrong. Cherry-picked data can be worse than no data.

The ultimate fact check is a scientific process of collecting data, modeling it, scrutinizing it and its methodology and the entities involved, contextualizing it, cross-checking, replicating, etc.

What media likes to call "fact checking" to me feels more motivated by punchy headlines and chyrons.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by breadwinner »

chasing wrote: post #277
breadwinner wrote: post #240

Data is the ultimate Fact Check. This is a President that's adamantly opposed to fact checking [1] and has even coerced Facebook to drop fact checking. Of course they don't want data on government sites that disprove their "alternate facts". [1] https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4920827-60-minutes-tru...

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If you look at people who have been losing in court for lying recently, such as Rudy Giuliani, InfoWars, Fox news Dominion (settled for $787M), they are all conservatives. Maybe that proves that reality indeed has a liberal bias.
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