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Re: Nobody cares

#291

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Yeah, there's always the "No thanks" button but not the "No, fuck you" button.

Or in online spaces, the ever more common “maybe later.” No means no, maybe go jump in a lake of fire.

Silicon Valley is like a creepy and terrible suitor, never knowing what "no" means or letting its counterparty express "no". It's always "ask me later".

Re: Nobody cares

#292

> The McDonald's touch-screen self-order kiosk takes 27 clicks to get a meal. They try to up-sell you 3 times. Just let me pay for my fucking burger, Jesus Christ. The product manager, the programmer, the executives. None of these people care. I was working in this space! And I got fired for refusing to work on more upsell features for clients like Coca Cola and such. I don't want to work on adding fucking ADS into c…

Respect for standing up for what you believe in

Re: Nobody cares

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post #239

This is a really uninformed article that comes off as just plain whiny. Taking the traffic curb example, it's entirely plausible that the person who designed that ramp isn't a cyclist, and didn't think about what it would actually be like to be a cyclist making that curve. I hired a contractor once, who was a fantastic one. We were designing some changes to one of our rooms, and he had a proposal that would have made…

> isn't a cyclist, and didn't think about what it would actually be like to be a cyclist making that curve. But this is exactly the "don't care" attitude. Ignore the specifics of the problem, avoid studying it or just giving it a thought. Didn't think that, not being a cyclist themselves, they should ask somebody who is. Didn't even think about very obvious things, like putting a warning sign ahead of the actual obje…

Usually constraints are financial related. It takes money to do all that and public works is not some big tech company

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post #271

You could replace "they do not care" with "they are prevented from caring" or "they care about different things" to get a more empathetic take. Designing entire cities on shoestring budgets and break-neck timelines prevents caring. Choice of lighting requires caring about many factors, including longevity and efficiency. The fact that you would make a different tradeoff doesn't mean the person doesn't care. Driving i…

> Choice of lighting requires caring about many factors, including longevity and efficiency. The fact that you would make a different tradeoff doesn't mean the person doesn't care.

The author was complaining about the use of cool white (5000k) LEDs instead of warm ones (2700k). Cool LEDs aren't any cheaper or more efficient than warm ones. So what tradeoffs are we talking about?

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post #239

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> isn't a cyclist, and didn't think about what it would actually be like to be a cyclist making that curve. But this is exactly the "don't care" attitude. Ignore the specifics of the problem, avoid studying it or just giving it a thought. Didn't think that, not being a cyclist themselves, they should ask somebody who is. Didn't even think about very obvious things, like putting a warning sign ahead of the actual obje…

Usually constraints are financial related. It takes money to do all that and public works is not some big tech company

True. But putting the signpost 20 yards ahead likely costs exactly the same.

Re: Nobody cares

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Why doesn’t Japan have this problem?

I asked myself the same question when I saw exactly 1 homeless person in all of Tokyo. There has been a global trend to decommission psychiatric hospitals. Japan didn’t follow suit, and today has 10x the beds per capita compared to the US. This is balanced by the fact that it’s much harder to commit someone against their will in the US. https://www.borgenmagazine.com/japans-homeless-population/#:... . https://en.m.wi…

> I asked myself the same question when I saw exactly 1 homeless person in all of Tokyo

Homelessness in Tokyo looks different than homelessness in a major US city. Often enough, it means freeters sleeping overnight in manga cafés.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_café_refugee

Re: Nobody cares

#299

The author should really move to Japan if they’re so impressed. Then they’ll get to find out what things in Japan no-one gives a shit about, and the shine will wear off.

This is where the author lost me as well. Massive peer pressure to conform is not the same as not caring. Maybe thats a little reductive, or the worst possible way to look at it, but no place that really cares would have such a bad reputation for terrible working conditions.

Re: Nobody cares

#300
This guy is this close to rediscovering worker alienation.

Most people don't care about doing their jobs well because they don't really choose what they work on, they don't own the product they're working on and don't enjoy the fruits of their labor. They know working harder won't improve their material condition either, only tire them more, seemingly pointlessly.

And so society turns to sh*t, but a lot of value is created for shareholders in the process, so who cares?

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