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Re: Nobody cares

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Post by lolwutgood »

frotty wrote: post #200

100% of the people around me at work care. I wish they didn't, because they're bad at their job and "them caring" puts them as a peer for experts and people who both care AND are competent/experienced via design by committee and inclusion. Their incompetency is explained away as "unique point of view." So perhaps the entire piece is an exercise in overgeneralization, where you assume that everyone has a baseline amou…

Is this an AI response? Has the dead internet lured me in, again? Or, more likely, do you just not care as well?

Every example in the linked post is either "not caring" about the work being done OR aggressively "not caring" due to main-character syndrome/individualism of modern American society. AND on top of it, every political fix is a _feel good_ fix instead of actually fixing the fucking problem.

An "era of good enough" makes no goddamn sense in response to this article. NONE of the things listed are good enough. None of them.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by a12k »

james_marks wrote: post #221

By “nobody cares”, I think they mean “not everyone shares my exact priorities”. I see this rant against the exact way a bike lane was installed- installed because someone cared ALOT to get it approved and built- and all they can think to do is complain? The world is a complex place full of trade-offs and compromises, I feel for the people that worked so hard to get this project done.

I don’t know, prioritizing sharing the sidewalk with everyone who wants to use it seems like it should transcend individual priorities.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by sureglymop »

> We have examples like Elon who, through sheer force of will, defeats armies of people who don't care. For his many faults, you can't say the man doesn't care.

I fully expected that bit. Can't say I would agree in any way though. If anything, a perfect example of a person with way too much agency and executive power and way too little restraint and rationality. The perfect anti social candidate to not care but to want to appear to due to his own personal insecurities that the world now has to suffer for.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by maxerickson »

azeirah wrote: post #210

> The McDonald's touch-screen self-order kiosk takes 27 clicks to get a meal. They try to up-sell you 3 times. Just let me pay for my fucking burger, Jesus Christ. The product manager, the programmer, the executives. None of these people care. I was working in this space! And I got fired for refusing to work on more upsell features for clients like Coca Cola and such. I don't want to work on adding fucking ADS into c…

Yeah, there's always the "No thanks" button but not the "No, fuck you" button.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by sureglymop »

frotty wrote: post #200

100% of the people around me at work care. I wish they didn't, because they're bad at their job and "them caring" puts them as a peer for experts and people who both care AND are competent/experienced via design by committee and inclusion. Their incompetency is explained away as "unique point of view." So perhaps the entire piece is an exercise in overgeneralization, where you assume that everyone has a baseline amou…

Good enough... seems almost too self explanatory. Its good enough! Great!

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by ojbyrne »

astroalex wrote: post #16

> Have been to the DMV? It sucked? There is a human being whose job it is to be in charge of the DMV. They do not care that it sucks. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've actually never had a bad experience at the DMV here in Seattle. The staff have been efficient, fast, and friendly every time.

I find the piling on of the DMV to really be a cheap shot. In a sense it made the entire rant seem like another example of someone not caring.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by azeirah »

culi wrote: post #237
azeirah wrote: post #210

> The McDonald's touch-screen self-order kiosk takes 27 clicks to get a meal. They try to up-sell you 3 times. Just let me pay for my fucking burger, Jesus Christ. The product manager, the programmer, the executives. None of these people care. I was working in this space! And I got fired for refusing to work on more upsell features for clients like Coca Cola and such. I don't want to work on adding fucking ADS into c…

if you don't, someone else will. Maybe you could've introduced a "bug" that makes it so it usually doesn't work except when a member of the QA team is looking at it :P

Well.. I did implement most of the framework. The good thing is that I'm waaaayyyyy detail oriented, and I made an extremely sophisticated system for it.

Maybe a little bit TOO sophisticated

Not my proudest _engineering_ achievement, but as an R&D project? I consider it a success.

Ethical outcome? Success.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by caseyy »

leipert wrote: post #247
ryanisnan wrote: post #229

This is a really uninformed article that comes off as just plain whiny. Taking the traffic curb example, it's entirely plausible that the person who designed that ramp isn't a cyclist, and didn't think about what it would actually be like to be a cyclist making that curve. I hired a contractor once, who was a fantastic one. We were designing some changes to one of our rooms, and he had a proposal that would have made…

Ha. The traffic curb example is actually a good one. I don’t think it’s an excuse to build a potentially dangerous ramp because you aren’t a cyclist yourself. People who design ramps should be capable to do it properly. Imagine it were a ramp for wheelchairs and they would have decided that a 20 degree slope is doable.

Yeah, not doing one's job well because they don't know how to (and won't bother to figure out) is an example of not caring, fundamentally.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by sureglymop »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #222
LunicLynx wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that incompetence is a form of not caring. It means that one just does, maybe even more then necessary because one doesn’t actually understand what their responsibilities are. And to be not detected it’s better to seem very busy and very caring.

Maybe some fraction of incompetent interns are playing a kind of double game, where they merely pretend to be really caring. But I doubt that’s the norm. There really are a lot of not so smart people of all ages out there in positions way beyond their actual capability. Edit: And in a lot of situations the dumb and hard working are way more dangerous than the smart and lazy. With the dumb and lazy being somewhat bett…

I'm sure there are also a lot of competent smart people who may happen to have other issues in their lives affecting their output. Maybe they are burned out, have some family drama, have health issues, etc.

I for one am glad if 10 interns get a chance even if only 1 turns out to be truly useful. It's a matter of empathy and I hope it prevails because what real purpose do we have without it.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by caseyy »

In smaller communities, people care more. There is a reputation social cost associated with being a self-centered asshole when everyone knows each other. If one doesn't care about others, they'll soon find themselves excluded from social circles, not offered help when they need it, and similar.

This is not the case in large cities – show 1 million people you do not care for them and there are still millions that will treat you reasonably well, especially if you can make a nice first impression. In some way, this social environment optimizes for not caring.

This is why I spent 30 years living in large cities around the world and now moved to a relatively small town. And I couldn't be happier. Streets are tidy, the town administration fixes most known problems, the public spaces are refurbished and the parks are maintained, businesses are pleasant, and everyone is friendly – I think I could ask for a favor from my taxi driver and they'd probably try to help.

There is a list of grifters we all know and keep in our heads, and I don't think the community will ever do them any favors. That is justice – these people wouldn't do anything for the community, too. And this list happens naturally in small places – you know the character of those around you. Reputation for having good character has social value. And this is natural.

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