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VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #282
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #267

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Apparently the 2010 Chevy Cobalt was available without ABS. Definitely in the minority even 15 years ago though.

Nice find! Although, it seems to have been only available/produced in Brazil, Columbia, Russia, Uzbekistan, which I'd argue is in line with my original sentiment.

That was the second generation which started in the 2011 model year. The first gen Cobalt was made and sold in the US into 2010 (the last year the first gen was made anywhere). That was also the last full year a car without ABS could be made in the US, since 2011 is when it became required by law.

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Post by mulmen »

rurban wrote: post #241
mulmen wrote: post #172

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An onboard database and a GPS receiver?

Plus full name, address, email? Huge privacy violation. I would just close down this business. Unfortunately it's a state cartel, and even part owner. They'll change the constitution to save those criminals

Huh? Why would a speed limiter need anything other than current position and a database of speed limits?

Your license plate already has your name and address associated with it.

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Post by mulmen »

amluto wrote: post #258
mulmen wrote: post #166

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"Shipping the private key" does not meet the bar for "good". You still need a way to establish trust in your key distribution and also implement the system correctly. The proper way to secure access to a physical thing you own is to only communicate directly with that thing.

This is ridiculous. It would take heroic effort for VW to prevent themselves from silently uploading malicious firmware to VW cars. There are ways to do this, but it’s also a separate problem from the problem that should actually be solved here.

Uh, if the only communication with the car is direct and physical then how does VW upload anything?

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Post by mulmen »

jen20 wrote: post #285
mulmen wrote: post #181

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Oh! Maybe it was FM. I always thought it was on the same band as the "Tune AM for traffic information signs" but as you say outside the audible frequencies. Regardless the point is that the relevant information can be broadcast publicly and does not require location or cellular connectivity to function. My 2010 BMW knew about traffic jams but had no cellular connectivity to my knowledge.

Your 2010 BMW very likely did have cellular connectivity given that my 2008 model did. It might not work today though.

It had the ability to call emergency services. But I don’t think it got map or traffic data through the cellular radio. If it was getting data through the cellular radio it wasn’t very much data.

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Post by mulmen »

creshal wrote: post #234
mulmen wrote: post #230

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The car can't keep time? How is the dashboard clock always right?

That's two different components, so they're made by two separate cottage industries in two different states to make sure you have leverage on more politicians. Connecting the two would increase the BOM by $0.1, which means a $1000 increase in retail price, and customers don't want to pay that, so clearly everything is the customers' fault. (/s)

All the clocks in my BMW were synchronized.

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Post by amluto »

mulmen wrote: post #294
amluto wrote: post #258

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This is ridiculous. It would take heroic effort for VW to prevent themselves from silently uploading malicious firmware to VW cars. There are ways to do this, but it’s also a separate problem from the problem that should actually be solved here.

Uh, if the only communication with the car is direct and physical then how does VW upload anything?

If the only communication is direct and physical, then this entire discussion is moot.

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Post by natch »

tremon wrote: post #103
natch wrote: post #71

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Many EVs have a sensible amount of buttons, and you generally don’t need the touchscreen for driving or much else for that matter. I can even keep driving while the whole system is rebooting. Around here (where we have many immigrants and some odd practices) I’ve seen people with a towel hanging over their screen while driving, to protect it like a dust cover I guess. The one thing you might argue I do need from my s…

I can even keep driving while the whole system is rebooting At least you're still acknowledging the abysmal state of modern cars by including this statement. Why on earth would anyone expect otherwise from a car?

What? This car is the far opposite end of the spectrum from abysmal.

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Post by mulmen »

CatWChainsaw wrote: post #249
mulmen wrote: post #174

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I rode in a 1948 Oldsmobile three days ago. No app needed. At this point the ignition switch is so worn the key is actually optional.

Yes because that's comparable to a modern data-slurping EV, thank you for the useless comment.

You're skeptical a car can work without an app, I provided an example of why that isn't the case.
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