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Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Post by jjj123 »

tptacek wrote: post #128
jjj123 wrote: post #74

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You’ve got the answer right there. It should be nationalized. And a major reason it will never be nationalized is because of lobbying by health insurance corporations.

Well that and people finding the idea repellant and voting against it.

Medicare for all is actually a very popular policy, with majority approval (across people who identify with both parties).

M4A is nationalized health insurance if not quite nationalized healthcare, but the point remains that the only reason we don’t have major steps in this direction is because of people in power who will not let it happen.

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Post by giardini »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #72
justinclift wrote: post #69

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> We have a system of laws and courts to decide what is criminal. Good when it works, but what happens when it fails?

yeah, blood in the street and mass death and destruction. Everyone killing everyone.

Jumped the shark there, dude! But some of these posts are hilarious over-the-top horseshit. Seriously...

Get a grip. For all we know the shooter was pissed b/c his girlfriend was banging the health insurance executive while babysitting for him!

[I would loooove for HN to have optionally-visible meta-threads, so onlookers like me could sit in the gallery, drink a beer, joke and remark about what is posted w/o affecting the stream of thought. Now back to y'all...]

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Post by valval »

piva00 wrote: post #289
valval wrote: post #281

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Like any other service, you’ll just pay for it with your money.

How do people without money get access to this essential service? Less sick people is better in general for a society, not only socially but also economically speaking, do you agree with this statement?

Through two options; insurance or debt.

I agree with the statement as you present it, all other things being equal.

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Post by kerkeslager »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #254
kerkeslager wrote: post #250

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> People should not kill law abiding citizens they disagree with because everyone has a different opinion. That's not what happened. Brian Thompson isn't a "law abiding citizen I disagree with" he's a law abiding citizen who killed people. If you or your loved one died because of his actions, would you "have a disagreement with him"? Is that what you'd call that?

There is a massive difference between not helping and killing someone. If you attribute the deaths from healthcare denials to him, did he also save every life that wasnt denied? How many millions of people did he save?

> There is a massive difference between not helping and killing someone.

Tell that to the people whose family members died due to his actions.

I'm not arguing this with you again for you to ignore what I say again.

> If you attribute the deaths from healthcare denials to him, did he also save every life that wasnt denied?

> How many millions of people did he save?

None that wouldn't have been saved by anyone doing his job. Literally, it was just his job, and he was close to as bad at is as he could get away with. All the evidence I've seen is that this guy was an obstacle to saving lives at every opportunity he got.

Even if we somehow pretend he made any effort to saving lives, how many lives do you have to save to get a free pass for a murder in your mind? Is that how you think this works?

Honestly, I think there's something wrong with your conscience. Grow some compassion for other humans.

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Post by valval »

valval wrote: post #293
piva00 wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do people without money get access to this essential service? Less sick people is better in general for a society, not only socially but also economically speaking, do you agree with this statement?

Through two options; insurance or debt. I agree with the statement as you present it, all other things being equal.

I'm not sure why I forgot perhaps the most important; charity!

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Post by gerdesj »

cocacola1 wrote: post #167
gerdesj wrote: post #53

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I'm terribly sorry, but all of your italicized fragments, taken in isolation, do paint a stark picture of the murder of a person. You might have beef (or whatever you call it these days) with his job and industry but in the end a man was murdered. You may not like and "hate" seems appropriate to describe how you feel about a legitimate industry in the USA. Your issue is with a deeply embedded part of the US experienc…

> Please attack the industry that you hate and not the individual ... who was murdered. That is what the journos are doing. Depending on the shooters motivation, I think they're of the opinion that the time for dialogue has passed.

I wasn't talking to the shooter.

Given your spelling of dialogue, I think it's unlikely we'll ever really understand the shooter's motivation.

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Post by justinclift »

giardini wrote: post #292
s1artibartfast wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, blood in the street and mass death and destruction. Everyone killing everyone.

Jumped the shark there, dude! But some of these posts are hilarious over-the-top horseshit. Seriously... Get a grip. For all we know the shooter was pissed b/c his girlfriend was banging the health insurance executive while babysitting for him! [I would loooove for HN to have optionally-visible meta-threads , so onlookers like me could sit in the gallery, drink a beer, joke and remark about what is posted w/o affecti…

Actually, that'd indeed be pretty funny at times. ;)

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Post by tptacek »

jjj123 wrote: post #291
tptacek wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that and people finding the idea repellant and voting against it.

Medicare for all is actually a very popular policy, with majority approval (across people who identify with both parties). M4A is nationalized health insurance if not quite nationalized healthcare, but the point remains that the only reason we don’t have major steps in this direction is because of people in power who will not let it happen.

No, it isn't. Like many other things, it's only popular in opinion polling, not at the ballot box.

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Post by tptacek »

justinclift wrote: post #258
s1artibartfast wrote: post #249

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Denied claims mean less profit for the insurer. They only get to keep a percent of what they pay to hospitals. Do you have a response to that? One of the primary jobs of insurance companies is to vet claims. If we didnt want that, you could just make a shared bank account and let doctors and hospitals bill anything they want to it. You might save 10% on overhead, but it would collapse instantly.

> Denied claims mean less profit for the insurer. If that were true then United Healthcare wouldn't have rolled out an automated system that (reportedly) denies ~90% of people regardless of their actual need.

I'm not going to stick up for UHC, which is an obnoxious company, but do you honestly believe UHC is denying 90% of claims? Have you thought the implications of that claim through?

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Post by tptacek »

perrygeo wrote: post #284
tptacek wrote: post #283

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Yes, I'm sure, in that it's mathematically incapable of solving the problem people have.

Bullshit. Show me the proof. Given that nearly all successful revolutions against oppressive powers have been backed by violence, I'm curious what you come up with. There is one group, the insurance companies, which have unequivocally stated that they will physically harm other people if it yields marginally higher profits. That's not up for debate, that's the stated business model. It is extra-judicial killing for p…

The proof is that you'd be going to war over a 5% discount in prices, and it's based on an accounting of where the money in our health system goes. Sorry, the numbers here are easy to find and they are unforgiving.
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