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NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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If the delays end up with Boeing extracting more money from NASA, it is obviously NASA who is inexperienced and mismanaged, while Boeing looks rather clever.

If outside contractors and suppliers are causing delays while you pay them, the poor manager is you.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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Is this ironic?

The problem is that the Venn diagram of a) people who say things like "Financists" unironically and speak of a cabal of people with "usurary (sic) schemes" designed to bankrupt entire civilizations and b) actual, legitimate anti-Semites looks like a blurry circle unless you're right up against it. It doesn't mean there aren't people in (a) who aren't anti-Semites and who have legitimate grievances. But they're virtua…

What makes you think that?

The rise of private equity is what immediately came to my mind here, religion never crossed it. I am not in favor of what private equity is doing to the country. The reply seems to assert that I am thus a self-hating jew, which was hurtful of them to say about me.

If anything, connecting the private equity efforts described in GP, to semitism, is what is anti-semetic. Our private equity overlords hail from many religions and backgrounds, and their creed is greed.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far: - Western Industry. - The blue-collar middle class - The Middle Class - Our health care system - Our education - Western Economic Leadership. - Social Mobility Now they are busy destroying western technology, science and innovation on their never-ending selfish wealth-extraction quest. They convinced us that our homes are investments, so they can fleece us with their usurary…

> So, what next? our organs? Not even kidding. There are villages around where I grew up, a good number of adults have one kidney only. Now if they manage to kidnap and kill a person, now they got two kidneys, a heart, a liver and other stuff.

>There are villages around where I grew up, a good number of adults have one kidney only.

Moldova?

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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> Welders are highly qualified and well-paid craftsmen. They’re not. You must be one of those people that hears something once and quotes it as gospel. My BIL did that yesterday: “nfl viewership has been down because of all the different platforms, and it’s been trending down for years.” As it so happens, last year was their second-best year of ratings since ratings were tracked. But, it fit his narrative, facts be d…

This is 1000% false and misleading. My Dad was a journeyman machinist and many of his friends were highly sought after welders in the area we lived. These guys could weld anything anywhere and exceed quality criteria. Welding is an art and at a certain required level of performance it's not something you teach, but find the folks who have the drive to be that good and want to weld for high precision requirements. Wha…

I'm not sure how to address this. I sent a link that says "sure some people make 100k+" and your dad was one of them. The link ALSO said "most people make half of that" and your anecdote doesn't refute anything.

Your dad had a a trade skill, and obtained a clearance. Congrats, he is an outlier. Nothing I said was false or misleading.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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> Welders are highly qualified and well-paid craftsmen. They’re not. You must be one of those people that hears something once and quotes it as gospel. My BIL did that yesterday: “nfl viewership has been down because of all the different platforms, and it’s been trending down for years.” As it so happens, last year was their second-best year of ratings since ratings were tracked. But, it fit his narrative, facts be d…

I can assure you that skilled welders like the ones you need for aerospace applications are rare and valuable. The welding techniques and standards are much higher than your average welding application

I agree with you. 3% of welders make good money. I never disagreed with this.

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What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far: - Western Industry. - The blue-collar middle class - The Middle Class - Our health care system - Our education - Western Economic Leadership. - Social Mobility Now they are busy destroying western technology, science and innovation on their never-ending selfish wealth-extraction quest. They convinced us that our homes are investments, so they can fleece us with their usurary…

> So, what next? our organs? Not even kidding. There are villages around where I grew up, a good number of adults have one kidney only. Now if they manage to kidnap and kill a person, now they got two kidneys, a heart, a liver and other stuff.

What country are you in?

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far: - Western Industry. - The blue-collar middle class - The Middle Class - Our health care system - Our education - Western Economic Leadership. - Social Mobility Now they are busy destroying western technology, science and innovation on their never-ending selfish wealth-extraction quest. They convinced us that our homes are investments, so they can fleece us with their usurary…

You should know that in business school and after everything you just described would be called "optimized". There is some short discussion about ethics, usually involving not stealing from investors, but otherwise the world is seen as one giant place where people are the same as nuts and bolts or ingredients in a chocolate bar to be optimized. This goes for customers and employees.

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Ohh but it can. The downfall of Boeing has literally been because it prioritized not paying money for skill that definitely exists.

Something else... US current political climate vs immigrants doesn't help. In addition to the life prospects of potential immigrants. I'm a drop on the ocean only, but my case is the one I have: PhD in Computer Science, highly specialized and have lived and worked around the world , but there's not enough that attracts me to living in the US. Its health system issues, the animosity against minorities and immigrants a…

There is definitely animosity towards migrants in the U.S. but I’m not convinced it’s any worse than in any other country with a large immigrant population. Look at the huge advances made recently by far-right parties in Europe for example, or the riots in England.

> lack of reasonable immigration paths for professionals

getting a visa is the hardest part, but doable if you’re a bit lucky. Once you have the visa, getting permanent residency after a few years and ultimately citizenship is relatively straightforward, IF you’re not from one of a few countries with large numbers of immigrants to the U.S.: mainly Mexico, the Philippines, China and India.

It seems from your profile that you’re Mexican so yeah, getting permanent status in the U.S. would take a really long time even if you got a visa.

This is one of the biggest competitive disadvantages of the U.S. currently: making it unreasonably hard for skilled people to immigrate, compared to places like Canada or Europe. But I think it’s an exaggeration to say there’s no reasonable path.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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NNT wrote Skin in the Game, which discusses such types of managers who cause similar damages. He argues that there should be clawbacks to managers that harm a company to the degree Boeing’s current management has. He invokes The Code of Hammurabi to illustrate how ancient civilization used to deal with such class of professionals.

The Soviet Union would actually send managers to GULAG for "wrecking," or other labor crimes, and it didn't really help. In fact, "accountability" was the only thing the USSR did not have a short supply of. Extraordinary punishments don't help if the system for figuring out who's doing a good job, and who isn't, is not working in the first place.

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Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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If you read the OIG report, it states: "Michoud officials stated that it has been difficult to attract and retain a contractor workforce with aerospace manufacturing experience in part due to Michoud’s geographical location in New Orleans, Louisiana, and lower employee compensation relative to other aerospace competitors."

> it has been difficult to attract and retain a contractor workforce […] in part due to […] lower employee compensation relative to other aerospace competitors You’re building rockets and complaining about the cost of skilled labor?

I always found the obsession with location-determined compensation weird. Experienced workers know exactly what their skills are worth regardless of the local labor market, so why even try surpressing their wages?

Besides when you're an aerospace company producing rockets for NASA you are not building a product that the local market pays for, so why should your workers be affected by what the local market is willing to pay for their skills? How can the local labor market accurately value their skills if the product of their labor isn't sold in the same market?

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