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Post by constantcrying »

charamis wrote: post #265
highcountess wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it’s graffiti and it’s still imposing on others against their will, regardless of whether it’s peak narcissist Banksy or someone else. Is very much about transgression and imposition and sadistic domination for personalities like Banksy and graffiti artists in general; it’s precisely why they put their “art” in other people’s things against their will. So if I graffiti your car because I believe it improves…

In what kind of city do graffiti happen on cars and households? mostly it's on public property

Certainly in the cities mentioned in the Article, e.g. Berlin and Hamburg.

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

lukan wrote: post #278
earthnail wrote: post #185

I love this. I read so much criticism here, but noise pollution is a main issue when it comes to railroads in residential zones. Yes, punctuality is an issue with Deutsche Bahn. No, this doesn’t fix that instantly. But as an organisation you can work on two things at the same time. This invention is spectacular. I wish more people would work on noise pollution. It makes a huge difference.

Noise reduction with trains is probably best done with improving the trains. I live next to a frequent trainline, so I can say: There are modern long electric passenger trains, that barely make a noise at all. And then there are old freight trains, that can be heard from miles away. Since I doubt this noise barrier will be placed everywhere except at some very special key areas, I rather want the Bahn to focus on bet…

For intercity trains it doesn't matter what the propulsion method is though, since every train will make a lot of noise at speed. It's improved with aerodynamics and better wheel / tracks, but ultimately noise will be an issue. Consider also cars where at speed the noise is not due to the engine, but to wheel / road noise.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by constantcrying »

JW_00000 wrote: post #220
constantcrying wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

This is pretty ironic to read on a forum called "Hacker" News, which also originated as a counter-culture that considered itself creative but was regarded as criminal by the general public.

This website is literally run by a venture capital corporation.

"Hacker" can have different meanings, but certainly in this case it isn't meant to reference the tech enthusuast anarcho communist subculture.

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Post by iggldiggl »

fcsp wrote: post #33
Lorin wrote: post #17

Ok, now they have an excuse to employ a crew to keep them clean like any other window-like product... instead of it just being a wall? I don't get it.

There's maintenance management fees to be earned! I don't know about how this stuff works, but as a matter of fact there's management bonuses for new development for DB execs, whereas nothing is gained from plain bleak maintenance. So guess why many major train stations in Germany have been undergoing major, multi-billion relocations and redesigns (often with worse throughput metrics).

Complaining about train noise is a national hobby, so the legal rules for noise protection have been significantly tightened up in the last decades and now multi-metre high noise barriers (up to four, five or even six metres) are a legal requirement. The end result being that people still complain about fear of more noise when infrastructure upgrades are proposed, but new they complain about visual blight, too. Even where local property owners would be okay with somewhat more elevated noise levels (or having sound-insulating windows installed) in return for lower noise barriers, the infrastructure operator is legally required to build the full-height wall even against the wishes of the adjacent property owners/local municipalities.

In the absence of national sensibilities on noise returning to e.g. Swiss levels (where AFAIK balancing noise protection vs. its visual impacts actually is an official planning goal), less ugly noise protection barriers are a worthwhile development. (They've also managed to make freight train noticeably quieter by requiring composite-materials brake shoes, which don't roughen up the wheel treads so much, but beyond that there aren't many more easy gains in noise reduction to be had…)

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Post by lukan »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #292
lukan wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Noise reduction with trains is probably best done with improving the trains. I live next to a frequent trainline, so I can say: There are modern long electric passenger trains, that barely make a noise at all. And then there are old freight trains, that can be heard from miles away. Since I doubt this noise barrier will be placed everywhere except at some very special key areas, I rather want the Bahn to focus on bet…

For intercity trains it doesn't matter what the propulsion method is though, since every train will make a lot of noise at speed. It's improved with aerodynamics and better wheel / tracks, but ultimately noise will be an issue. Consider also cars where at speed the noise is not due to the engine, but to wheel / road noise.

I live outside the city, so I know the difference in sound at high speed when they pass by. It makes a great difference. Combustion vs electric but also the manufacturing and damping of the wheels etc.

Steelwheel on steel can be very silent.

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Post by usrusr »

mavhc wrote: post #281
usrusr wrote: post #152

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If I smash your car, is that violence or not? What if I take care to smash your car only so much that it will still be able carry you to work and back?

What if I apply a protective coating to an unprotected wall, using my own money to supply the materials?

Same as adjusting other people's tire pressure: perfectly fine if you have explicit approval.

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Post by braza »

panick21_ wrote: post #134
throwaway4good wrote: post #94

This is an international site and I think people don’t understand just how big Deutsche Bahn’s problems with delays are and how incredible dissatisfied its customers are. The situation with DB is really unique compared to its neighbors in any direction. While the tech described probably has merits, anyone who has been near DB lately would instinctively go: why are you doing this when you cannot get the basics right?

DB is a gigantic organization. Do you think it is reasonable for them not not make progress or advancement in anything as long as the ICE delays are not fixed? They can never change a train interior, improve the food menu, or 1000s of other things? This is a totally unreasonable suggestion. The reason for DB reliability problem is 50+ years of infrastructure neglect, fixing it will not be improved by shutting down ev…

> I think what Germans don't understand is how good they have it compared to many places in the world.

They should care about how other transportation systems are around the world as a coping mechanism?

I mostly travel around DACH region + Nordics/Spain/Netherlands and sometimes the contrast in terms of reliability, maintenance, and integration makes me feel that Germany is 10+ years back in time.

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Post by tichiian »

72deluxe wrote: post #218
oaiey wrote: post #113

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Unfortunately, life is not black and white. Even without knowing anything about graffiti culture, there is a border between defacing and improving. And graffiti artists are moving over that border back and forth. Some of the most beautiful art I have seen are graffiti

What a strange argument that seems to romanticise this "border" called "the law". It is black and white: someone is defacing something that doesn't belong to them. You can call the result whatever you want ("art","expression" etc) but the fundamental issue doesn't change. Would you be happy to wake up and see your car covered in paint? What about the windows on your house? Would you see this as an "improvement" too?

An ugly beton brut building defaces the landscape and the view that should belong to everyone. A beautiful graffiti can improve that view and landscape. Under those circumstances, a graffiti can be legally wrong but morally right.

However only very few graffiti "artists" rise above the skill level where their work could be considered beautiful. Usually it's just plain old dick measuring contests like spraying political slogans and overspraying the opposition's, putting your name on as many places as possible or proving their "worth" in the danger of getting caught, with no aesthetically relevant outcome whatsoever.

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Post by TiredOfLife »

lifeofguenter wrote: post #103
flemhans wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating

Comparing Graffiti with Bank robbery is crazy. Its Art. I would like to understand why people take offense in it - especially if done on places that are so non-important.

Bank robberies also are art.

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Post by TiredOfLife »

umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9
lqet wrote: post #4

> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

The same can be said about cartel killings.
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