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Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by __loam »

skinner927 wrote: post #225
netbioserror wrote: post #163

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You must not travel a lot. There are huge numbers of historic villages and towns with original or very old architecture. If we were dealing with survivorship bias, we should expect essentially random buildings scattered around cities, not entire towns or contiguous historic districts.

You may want to double check that the historic buildings you see in historic districts are actually, uhh, historic. Historic building codes have been around for hundreds of years in some areas and many of the buildings are rebuilds and ones that didn’t fit the mold have been rebuilt. Not that modern concrete architecture is not a blight on our cities, but not all historic buildings were originally as charming as we m…

People give Brutalism a lot of shit but I think the buildings have a certain utilitarian charm. I have heard that concrete can be very unsustainable and counterintuitivly actually hard to maintain though, so I suppose it's a good thing it's going out of style.

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Post by pixl97 »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #279
EdiX wrote: post #47

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Ironically the Sagrada Familia is an example of modern architecture.

Yeah modern in the historic classification of the term, not in the way of speaking. Most people normally consider modern housing last decades. Lots of building up untill the second world ware are gorgous, but not considered modern by most people. For instance Berlage in Amsterdam is modern in your classifcation. And his buildings grace Amsterdam, but most people would consider them "older", he was living around the s…

>Lots of building up untill the second world ware are gorgous

I think you may have severely underestimated the population growth and need for housing after WWII. The world had not seen population growth like that before. The US and Europe cast away their ornate designs and focused on a burgeoning population in the US and rebuilding quickly in Europe.

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Post by UncleOxidant »

__loam wrote: post #289
ido wrote: post #221

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I just came back from San Francisco and plenty of post WW2 buildings there (mostly high rises) look nice.

And we're also facing a severe housing shortage.

Do the two have to be mutually exclusive? Are crappy architecture and plenty of housing or interesting architecture and a housing shortage our only options?

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Post by nl »

eadmund wrote: post #13
anon291 wrote: post #2

The article mistakenly refers to Sagrada Familia as the cathedral of Barcelona. It's not. It's a minor basilica, not a cathedral.

> The article mistakenly refers to Sagrada Familia as the cathedral of Barcelona. It's not. It's a minor basilica, not a cathedral. There may not be enough institutional knowledge at CNN about Catholicism that the editors would know that there is a difference between a basilica and a cathedral. This is the sort of thing that the folks at GetReligion.com were trying to address: not advocating any particular religion,…

> the vast Church of the Holy Sepulcher marking the site where many Christians believe that Jesus is buried

I think this is more a minor phrasing thing than anything: "where many Christians believe that Jesus was buried".

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

azulster wrote: post #162
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #151

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There are lot's of city centres in Europe in France, Italy, Belgium etc. where entire neighborhoods survived, and they look great.

new york city's brownstones are considered beautiful and iconic now, but when they were built they were described as cheap eye-sores and a blight upon the beautiful city. i imagine a similar trend must exist for most of the European cities. people's aesthetic usually rejects the new, but recognizes the beauty once it is seen as old and classic

The reason they were thought of ugly at the timewas because the brown house houses were relatively monotone, one type of building compared to richer streets where every house was different & build by the vision of the owner. See every house on the Amsterdam on the Canals: https://www.tripsavvy.com/thmb/Mkr3pQQInOjO4a3UJUP2EzBpywU=/...

The same complaint was made when the "pijp" was build, al buildings are the same. It was originally meant for poor people, now one of the hotspots: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Revoluti...

But stil the brownstone building have way more ornaments, arches & other details intended to make it pretty then any modern flat. I have a real hard time believing we will every think of the grey Paris banlieus as pretty: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2013/05/15/business/GHETTO-1...

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Post by viewtransform »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

This sky garden building in Shanghai looks sci-fi https://youtu.be/pzjpK2BYGCQ?t=66

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Post by ddejohn »

arcade79 wrote: post #129
cmpalmer52 wrote: post #18

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I’m not particularly religious and not Catholic, but the Sagrada Familia brought me to tears. The interior is one of the most beautiful man-made spaces I’ve ever seen.

Atheist here; I love visiting buildings like that. Sagrada Familia is truly beautiful. I like it way better than St.Peters in Rome.

Another atheist with a deep appreciation and love for churches/cathedrals/etc checking in. I have wanted to visit Sagrada Familia for a long time.

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Post by trgn »

pixl97 wrote: post #281
ebiester wrote: post #124

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We underestimate the pressure the world has been under in the last century. In 1950, we had about 2.5 billion people. Today, we have 8 billion. We had to find accommodations for 5.5 billion people who all expected to have a greater standard of living with electricity and living space; something had to give. We had to be more parsimonious with the materials at our disposal.

People really don't understand how big the 'boomers' generation really was. Populations exploded in the post war era and with the rapid rise in technology people were disinterested in doing things in the way of the past. In the US at least there was a mass migration over the country and a massive need for housing that could be quickly built. Later this rapid expansion of 'sameness' would be captured in popular media…

There was also an enormous urban population boom in the heyday of capitalism, late 1800s early 1900s, and architecture was absolutely glorious. It's really not the post war population boom. It was the post war mindset, modernism, a spiteful iconoclasm married to an infatuation with high technology (ie. All human experience must be mediated with the latest technology, a priori). Without that, our cities would have grown just as beautifully as before.
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