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Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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alistairSH wrote: post #110
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

Be careful to avoid survivorship bias here. Only the "best" buildings from Medieval and Renaissance times (or even later into the 1800s) are still around. Many of the buildings we constructed in the second half of the 20th century will be gone in 100 years or so. Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I know there was a lot of criticism when the Louvre built the pyramid, but I quite like the contrast of traditio…

There are lot's of city centres in Europe in France, Italy, Belgium etc. where entire neighborhoods survived, and they look great.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by bluGill »

nextworddev wrote: post #76
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

It is much cheaper to build McMansions, etc

McMansions are also functional. They may not look good, but they do what people need in a house well (obviously with thousands of different McMansions there will be thousands of different things). I have a house in 1970 - it is okay, but modern houses of a similar size are a lot more functional because space is used differently. I've been in houses built in 1920 which were really bad - they looked nice but as an engineer I see a lot of things that are just wrong.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by azulster »

diggan wrote: post #7
jihadjihad wrote: post #5

It's amazing if you haven't gone, especially when sunlight streams in through the windows. I saw a quote while I was there that was something along the lines of, "Gaudí is not an artist with whom posthumous collaboration is possible." A couple minutes walking around the church is all that's needed to confirm that notion.

> I saw a quote while I was there that was something along the lines of, "Gaudí is not an artist with whom posthumous collaboration is possible." A couple minutes walking around the church is all that's needed to confirm that notion. Maybe I misunderstand "posthumous collaboration", but the church is literally being built after Gaudi's demise by a bunch of other people, isn't that posthumous collaboration?

i understood it to mean that the architectural vision of Gaudi was so original and singular that and future work could only be completion of an original design, an imitation of the already completed work, or an obviously seperated style (like inserting a jazz solo in mozart)

in contrast other architects worked within a well defined style with rules and systems that can be worked within by modern architects to "posthumously" collaborate. like how you can use the principles of gothic architecture to add a modern addition to a gothic cathedral. the only principle Gaudi followed was natural inspiration and his own interpretation of that, something nobody could ever define

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by reddog »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

You might enjoy the Tom Wolfe book, From Bauhaus to Our House. In it he tries to explain the observations you make. Very lively, funny writing and you know he is on the right track because he was universally panned by modern architects.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by _giorgio_ »

diggan wrote: post #145
_giorgio_ wrote: post #74

Probably 50% of the construction is based on the project by Gaudì, which was lost. It's almost completely a contemporary project. https://hyperallergic.com/152158/has-gaudis-sagrada-familia-... https://sagradafamilia.barcelona-tickets.com/sagrada-familia... "Spanish Civil War: In 1936, during the civil unrest, anarchists broke into the cathedral and stole the plans, and destroyed the church's crypt. Work only resumed…

Where are you getting the "anarchists" part from? As far as I know, it isn't known exactly what group was behind the ransacking, and the sources you link only talks about "Vandals" and "revolutionary groups". That quote of yours don't seem to be a verbatim quote?

https://sagradafamilia.barcelona-tickets.com/sagrada-familia...

"Spanish Civil War: In 1936, during the civil unrest, anarchists broke into the cathedral and stole the plans, and destroyed the church's crypt...."

https://imgur.com/a/tzwQuea

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by azulster »

diggan wrote: post #145
_giorgio_ wrote: post #74

Probably 50% of the construction is based on the project by Gaudì, which was lost. It's almost completely a contemporary project. https://hyperallergic.com/152158/has-gaudis-sagrada-familia-... https://sagradafamilia.barcelona-tickets.com/sagrada-familia... "Spanish Civil War: In 1936, during the civil unrest, anarchists broke into the cathedral and stole the plans, and destroyed the church's crypt. Work only resumed…

Where are you getting the "anarchists" part from? As far as I know, it isn't known exactly what group was behind the ransacking, and the sources you link only talks about "Vandals" and "revolutionary groups". That quote of yours don't seem to be a verbatim quote?

some people use anarchist as term similar to "vandal", "rioter" or "terrorist", just a rogue element at the time causing destruction or chaos.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by bluGill »

hannasanarion wrote: post #70
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

The purpose of most buildings is to be useful, not to look pretty in pictures. > Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty That's because the things that get preserved are the things that are pretty. You think Romans built their outhouses and warehouses and cheap apartments to look like the colosseum? No, that shit was ugly too, that's why it's n…

> > Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. >What do you think Barcelona is?

Not historic. Well some of it is, there is a tiny small town core that dates back to Roman times. The vast majority of the city only dates back to the 1900s. They were just lucky that Gaudi and other great architects practiced then and built landmarks that really should be preserved for as long as we can. Don't make a mistake though, Gaudi and peers built the city we know in the 1900s which isn't very old.

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Post by azulster »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

"modern architecture" is a following the same pricniples of most architecture, engineer it to be strong enough, for as cheap as possible, if you are very very lucky somebody may be willing to pay extra to make it look good.

usually the church was more than willing to pay extra for beauty, but the average apartment building or urban mixed-use building built in the last few decades is likely focused on being affordable and efficient.

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