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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

tonymet wrote: post #214
ravenstine wrote: post #118

Although I agree with the title, I also don't think the internet is that significantly different from before GPTs 4, 3, or 2. Articles written by interns or Indian virtual assistants about generic topics are pretty much as bad as most AI generated material and isn't that distinguishable from it. It doesn't help that search engines today sort by prestige over whether your query matches text in a webpage. People aren't…

Yes but the content from the web flows into social media, news, “books” (now e-books) in an intangible cyclone of fabricated information. If sewage gets into the water supply no one is safe. You don’t get to feel better for having a spigot away from the source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_citogenesis_...

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Post by jeremyjh »

rvba wrote: post #165
nunez wrote: post #100

This is an old problem that LLM-generated content only accelerated. LMGTFY died when Google tripled down on growing their ad revenue and adtech dominance and SEO ran rampant throughout search results. It is fairly difficult to get non-biased factual information from a naked query these days, which is why I try to search for info on Reddit first. This isn't a panacea either given that it's been chock-ful of astroturfe…

You think that spammers dont use AI to write on reddit now?

"re"-read GP's last sentence.

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Post by monkeynotes »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #216
j0hnyl wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how this points to downfall of society. IMO it's clearly a paradigm shift that we need to adjust to and adjustment periods are uncomfortable and can last a long time. LLMs are massive productivity boosters.

Do you remember when email first came around and it was a useful tool for connecting with people across the world, like friends and family? Does anyone still use email for that? We all still HAVE email addresses, but the vast majority of our communication has moved elsewhere. Now all email is used for is receiving spam from companies and con artists. The same thing happened with the telephone. It's not just text mess…

> Now all email is used for is receiving spam from companies and con artists.

No it isn't, unless you are 12 maybe.

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Post by sjfjsjdjwvwvc »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #101
peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

We should start donating more heavily to archive.org - the way back machine may soon be the only way to find useful data on the internet, by cutting out anything published after ~2020 or so.

Love that sentiment! The Internet Archive is in many ways one of the best things online right now IMO. One of the few organisations that I donate regularly to without any second thoughts. Protect the archive at all costs!

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Post by waveBidder »

plagiarist wrote: post #111
titzer wrote: post #64

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The fundamental dynamic that ruins every technology is (over-)commercialization. No matter what anyone says, it is clear that in this era, advertising has royally screwed up all the incentives on the internet and particularly the web. Whereas in the "online retailer" days, there was transparency about transactions and business models, in the behind-the-scenes ad/attention economy, it's murky and distorted. Effectivel…

There used to be a wealth of smaller "labor-of-love" websites from individuals doing interesting things. The weeds have grown over them and made it difficult to find these from the public web because these individuals cannot devote the same resources to SEO and SEM as teams of adtech affiliate marketers with LLM-generated content. When Google first came out, it was amazing how effective it was. In the years following…

such websites still get made all the time, they're just not useful for Google to surface. https://blog.kagi.com/small-web

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Post by ivxvm »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #265
lambda_garden wrote: post #243

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Think how many game developers were able to realize their vision because Unity3D was accessible to them but raw C++ programming was not. We may see similar outcomes for other budding artists with the help of AI models. I'm quite excited!

Except 'their vision' is practically homogeneous. I can't think even think of a dozen Unity games that broke the mould, and genuinely stand out, out of the many tens of thousands (?). There's Genshin Impact, Pokemon Go, Superhot, Beat Saber, Monument Valley, Subnautica, Among Us, Rust, Cities:Skylines (maybe), Ori (maybe), COD:Mobile (maybe) and...?

Necropolis, Ziggurat... Imo the best games nowadays are often those that no one heard about. Popularity wasn't a good metric for a very long while. And thankfully games like "New World" and "Starfield" are helping a lot for general population to finally figure this out.

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Post by munk-a »

peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

At the moment we can at least still use the poor quality of AI text to speech to filter out the dogshit when it comes to shorts/reel/tik toks etc... but we'll eventually lose that ability as well.

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Post by 1auralynn »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #265
lambda_garden wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think how many game developers were able to realize their vision because Unity3D was accessible to them but raw C++ programming was not. We may see similar outcomes for other budding artists with the help of AI models. I'm quite excited!

Except 'their vision' is practically homogeneous. I can't think even think of a dozen Unity games that broke the mould, and genuinely stand out, out of the many tens of thousands (?). There's Genshin Impact, Pokemon Go, Superhot, Beat Saber, Monument Valley, Subnautica, Among Us, Rust, Cities:Skylines (maybe), Ori (maybe), COD:Mobile (maybe) and...?

The Long Dark.

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Post by cratermoon »

peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

The current crop of LLMs at least have a style and voice. It's a bit like reading Simple English Wikipedia articles, the tone is flat and the variety of sentence and paragraph structure is limited.

The heuristic for this is not as simple as bad spelling and grammar, but it's consistent enough to learn to recognize.

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Post by klyrs »

willcipriano wrote: post #254
chongli wrote: post #241

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The AI that generates 1000 games eventually gets bought by a company That seems like only a temporary phenomenon. If we've got AI that can generate any games that people actually want to play then we don't need game companies at all. In the long run I don't see any company being able to build a moat around AI. It's a cat-and-mouse game at best!

> In the long run I don't see any company being able to build a moat around AI Why do you think they are screaming about "the dangers of AI"? So they can regulate it and gain a moat via regulatory capture.

>> If we've got AI that can generate any games that people actually want to play then we don't need game companies at all.

> Why do you think they are screaming about "the dangers of AI"?

Perhaps it's those of us who enjoy making games or are otherwise invested in producing content that are concerned about humanity being reduced to braindead consumers of the neverending LLM sludge, who scream the loudest.

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