Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

appleinsider.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

291–300 of 1001 posts

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

#291

Post by irrational »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #67

It is understandable why Apple wants to keep its current grip on iOS indefinitely. What I don't understand is why some people defend it, on this very forum! One commenter simultaneously defended gay marriages - "if you don't like gay marriages, don't get married to gays" - and defended the Apple's monopoly - "I like that there is only one Appstore and developers won't force me to sideload".

> What I don't understand is why some people defend it,

Have you tried to understand it? It is pretty clear to me. People like not having to worry about malware, tracking, etc.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

#292

Post by kibwen »

HWR_14 wrote: post #287
kibwen wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great, and then we can properly break up Facebook as well as Google. I see no downsides here.

Why should we have to let things get worse. Break up Meta and Google and MS and then talk to me about how we don't need Apple's store anymore. Don't remove the solution and then tell me you'll fix the problem later.

This same argument can be used to block any action, forever. We have to start somewhere, and here is good enough.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

#293

Post by lacker »

grishka wrote: post #209
cmdli wrote: post #184

I, for one, do not look forward to having to sideload Facebook, Instagram, Google, Gmail, and every single other megacorps app just because they want to track my every click. I would rather give power to Apple than all the other companies.

A good solution to apps wanting to track your every click is not organizational but technical. Just don't give them APIs for reliable cross-app tracking. That advertising ID? It simply does not need to exist at all . Same for all the attribution bullshit. Besides, sideloading enables installation of modded apps giving users more choice.

Making it a really technically hard problem is great news for Facebook and Google. They will happily hire software engineers that do the best possible job of detecting who a user is, using machine learning and all sorts of other tricks. And then sell this functionality (either explicitly or implicitly) to developers that use their ad platforms.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

#294

Post by kibwen »

coldtea wrote: post #277
kibwen wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great, and then we can properly break up Facebook as well as Google. I see no downsides here.

Break them? More likely they'll continue their business as usual, with a slightly increased lobbying spending.

And yet somehow Apple hasn't managed to lobby this away, despite having more cash on hand than either Facebook or Google.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

#295

Post by irrational »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #109
larme wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lesser of two evils principle maybe? I defend apple in this one appstore topic not because I think apple is good, but just better than google and facebook. Of course the longterm solution is to get better legalization on privacy protection etc. But before that, I really prefer apple as a proxy between me and google/facebook/etc.

If you like Apple's policies, just don't sideload and install everything from their official AppStore. Nothing will change for you then. You can do it on MacBooks as well.

Why would anyone who wants to abuse me put anything on the official AppStore?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

#296

Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn »

endisneigh wrote: post #247
gigel82 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is choice. As a consumer, you can choose to only get your apps via the official Apple store, which comes with all the "Apple rules" you want. As another consumer, I prefer freedom and hate monopolists so would choose another store. Everyone is happy!

why not just buy an Android?

Why don't you move to mexico? It's about the same level of nonsense question.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

#297

Post by coldtea »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #289
coldtea wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> let’s ignore the macOS elephant in the room The worst experiences on macOS come from companies with enough clout to piss on the standard mechanisms. Installing their BS installers, having "updaters" to run on the background, not shipping a DMG or PKG, asking you to disable the SIP, never bothering to update to newer APIs, not using the Mac App Store, and so on... (and it's usually some of the more expensive softwar…

Like on a possible iOS future, “don’t support what you don’t want to support”. You have the choice. Unlike current iOS, where some boogie-man chose for you.

That's like "having the choice" to decide how to defend and protect yourself in a shithole city of competing kingpins and anarchy (the bad kind, not the theory of government) in the streets, vs having a police.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

#298

Post by no_wizard »

Ironically, I believe all this scrutiny on Apple really started with degraded developer relations and their 30% take on in app sales.

If they had invested in better dev relations and dropped their 30% take (instead of coming up with all the weird ways you have to qualify for lower rates, which don't cover all scenarios), I don't think there would have been enough noise from below on this.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

#299

Post by kibwen »

crop_rotation wrote: post #282
kibwen wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pro-consumer stances are literally communism now?

It is not a pro consumer stance, it is pro power consumer stance, and anti the layperson consumer stance (who arguably deserve more support).

Incorrect. The layperson will, as they always have, continue using the default app store while remaining blissfully unaware of any alternatives.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

#300

Post by LeoNatan25 »

coldtea wrote: post #290
redder23 wrote: post #191

Maybe not surprising but if you read the comments on the website there seems to be only Apple fanboys commenting who are butt-hurt about it. You can not make this up, consumers who root for a monopoly. This reminds me of gamers who hate the Epic Games Store with passion even though they give the actual devs of the games a bigger cut. Competition is always good for the consumers. And I get the security part when it co…

> Competition is always good for the consumers. So lets have a walled-garden OS compete with a sideloading-enabled/free-for-all/anything goes OS. But no, instead they have to break a good thing. Now every idiotic company like Adobe will demand their own installers, and updaters, and background processes that you can't turn off, and piss all over the iOS, like they do on the macOS. And let's not get started onto force…

All of that is already accounted for and protected by in the OS. An app cannot normally register daemons or agent (or even an XPC service). Installing is already limited to FrontBoard standard installation mechanism. All that will remain in a possible open iOS future.
Post reply on HN