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Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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And this continues even after the human race disappears. There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.

Yep! I realize this kind of sounds like Ray Bradbury's imagined dystopian future where a fully automated house continues to go about its programmed routine after all its inhabitants had died in a nuclear event that obliterated the rest of the city. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Will_Come_Soft_Rains_(sh...

This also reminds me of "They Will Not Return" by John Ayliff

https://johnayliff.itch.io/they-will-not-return

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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edit: I'm retracting my earlier comment. Earlier I wrote that the headline didn't seem to match what was in the TOS, since OP never mentioned which part they're concerned about. I'm now assuming the part they don't like is §10.4(ii): > 10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights…

Yeah, I saw some people posting screenshots of 10.2 and was thinking maybe it was just exaggeration for clicks, but 10.4 is horrifying. Customer Content as defined in 10.1:

"10.1 Customer Content. You or your End Users may provide, upload, or originate data, content, files, documents, or other materials (collectively, “Customer Input”) in accessing or using the Services or Software, and Zoom may provide, create, or make available to you, in its sole discretion or as part of the Services, certain derivatives, transcripts, analytics, outputs, visual displays, or data sets resulting from the Customer Input (together with Customer Input, “Customer Content”); provided, however, that no Customer Content provided, created, or made available by Zoom results in any conveyance, assignment, or other transfer of Zoom’s Proprietary Rights contained or embodied in the Services, Software, or other technology used to provide, create, or make available any Customer Content in any way and Zoom retains all Proprietary Rights therein. You further acknowledge that any Customer Content provided, created, or made available to you by Zoom is for your or your End Users’ use solely in connection with use of the Services, and that you are solely responsible for Customer Content."

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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It's most likely due to the fact they are all electron apps rather than they are doing "something".

Hardware decoding is also an issue.. as in, not being used. Old webcams used to do h.264 encoding in hardware. Encoding has since now moved to the CPU which may or may not be fine.. the next issue becomes the codec chosen.. most stuff all has h.264 decoding in hardware.. but it's not being used anymore.. instead they're trying to use vp09 or h.265 or av1 which in many cases requires CPU-based software encoding and de…

I think Google Meet uses VP9, which is really annoying.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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It's useful. It's more of a large-scale broadcast situation. Think of large corporate town halls, town council meetings, etc.

You can just have a conference call with the 5-10 speakers and use broadcasting software to stream it to the audience, why do they need to be in the conference?

Zoom has a mode that basically does this for you, which I assume is how they support >500 users.

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I am curious if they have been silently saving voice to text transcription in the background on all calls and if AI will be permitted to ingest all of that data. A great deal could be learned from private one on one calls in the corporate world. The insider knowledge one could gain about corporations and governments would be fascinating.

It's quite common for corporate/government contracts to have totally different terms that prohibit any kind of AI training (or recording/access at all). This has been the case for years now. Precisely because of the risks you highlight.

In these cases, companies train on content stored/transmitted in the free/individual consumer version only.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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I like the part where the reason the US keeps allowing it is that "if we don't, China will", as if China has access to the same flood of data that US FAANG companies and contenders like Zoom have access to every second of every day. Sure, at the government level it has access to the same data as everyone else, but that firewall's still there, can't have an AI trained on data that might give a more worldly view on mat…

Even china isnt silly enough to record people’s conversations to “train” ais. Corporate dictatorships have truly overtaken communist dictatorships.

> Even china isnt silly enough to record people’s conversations to “train” ais.

China has a social credit score with facial recognition on their network of security cameras in public settings....

Recording peoples conversations to monitor for undesirable terms (likely with AI) is almost a certainty...

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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How to enable end to end encryption in Zoom: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360048660871-End-t... (Presuming of course that their closed source software really E2E encrypts without a backdoor)

Why not simply use a product that doesnt steal your meeting content?

Cause Zoom works well for a lot of people, or you have no choice in the matter.
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