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NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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You used Samsung products, that was your problem. Every Samsung I've had or used has been absolute trash

So the largest Android phone manufacturer is “trash”? Who do you recommend?

All phones are trash except my unbranded Huawei clone running a custom version of Android I built myself. It's been totally problem-free since I got it 8 days ago (the one before it was also trash).

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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I always found it a bit rediculous that Apple seemingly admits stalking is a problem they have to solve it, and they solve it by requiring you to buy an iPhone. To solve a problem they created, you have to give them money. It's worse in my opinion than just going with 'we're not responsible for how our product is used' defense.

You don't have to buy an iPhone. Apple publishes a free app in the Google Play Store[1]. You do have to run Apple software, but it'd be a bit much to expect them to make things work with no code at all. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apple.trac...

I don't want to carry any phone, among other reasons because I do not want to be tracked 24/7.

Now Apple has made it trivial for anyone to buy persistent, highly accurate dystopian stalker gear that could easily be surreptitiously placed on my person or vehicle. Having no phone, I would have no idea. The AirTag tracking system escalates the technological arms race and dramatically expands my threat model.

All I want is the right to be a human with my human dignity respected, without requiring "techno upgrades" to enforce my rights, and the best response I've seen from the pro-surveillance crowd boils down to, "well you've gotta carry a tracking device if you don't want to get tracked".

Unacceptable.

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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What legal basis do you have for enforcing a $1mil civil penalty on stalkers? I'm not a lawyer, but it seems out of proportion to any damages sustained to Tile and likely unenforceable (not to mention uncollectable)? (FWIW: I think ID verification is a good non-technical deterrent to what is largely a non-techincal problem!)

It’s a terms of service you opt in to. Unclear how well it holds up in court but I dare anyone to try! We will go all out making an example out of people who abuse the system. So far we have not had a single report of misuse of the anti-theft feature.

I am not a stalker, but that agreement is almost certainly unenforceable in civil court. It violates the basic principles of consideration and equity. There is extensive case law on those areas, which you might want to look into before wasting people's time making empty threats and bullshiting about subjects you clearly don't understand.

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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We use an airtag to track our cat who we allow outdoors every day until an hour before sunset. We initially used a Tile which I hated and would constantly try to get us to buy more tiles in their crappy app. After 4 months of the air tag we're looking to switch back. The larger network is barely noticeable. Most of what the tags do is allow us to know when we're within X number of feet of our cat. The Tile had a bett…

> From what I've read the Apple AirTag network is actually quite insecure and can even be used to send arbitrary HTTP packets. Mind sharing a link on this? It doesn’t match the technical descriptions Apple has published about how the AirTag network operates. On the other hand I can see it being true about Tile…

Iirc someone worked out how to emulate an airtag and use the tiny amount of data they transmit to relay some data back to the owners apple account. It's not really insecure because it doesn't affect anyone but the owner of the device but you are relaying that data over other peoples phones, which is encrypted with your keys.

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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This article throws up many flags for me, not necessarily red, but of a worrying color. It first celebrates surveillance devices as a net positive and hand-waves away its problems. But most importantly, it is awfully shortsighted to allow a single company to entrench itself further into societal transactions. However, hearing it is inconvenient, so I am often dismissed for saying so. > They're made by Apple, which me…

I'm not a fan of Mayor Adams since he's received a lot of "caviar treatment" from leaders of countries like Azerbaijan. The little joke about Android (people laughed) isn't a big deal.

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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You used Samsung products, that was your problem. Every Samsung I've had or used has been absolute trash

So the largest Android phone manufacturer is “trash”? Who do you recommend?

OnePlus. My 6T still works perfectly. No issues after 4 years of use, even the battery still lasts a good time. Sometime after they dropped support (since it's an old model), I installed DivestOS and it still works great, updates and all. Became my backup phone. I got myself a Nord2T now, and I like it a lot, I have the impression it will last forever too.

I had a Samsung in the past, but I had some issues with it.

Btw, I never buy top of the line phones.

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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Have they always been this way or have they all become wildly out of touch more recently? To an outsider, American political discourse looks like it is completely divorced from reality.

Making a joke about how iPhones are better is basically the opposite of out of touch. Most new yorkers agree, and 90% of the others are used to the joke.

I forget which late night show this was, but the guy said he wouldn't switch from his iPhone even if it punched him in the face every morning. That's not offensive humor anywhere except here and maybe within Google.

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On Amazon I see them as low as 5 for $13 {GPS tracking tags. No need to buy Apple}

I'm not sure what you're seeing but you're definitely not seeing genuine AirTags 5 for $13. More likely you're seeing the AirTag holders for that price.

>> No need to buy Apple

> you're definitely not seeing genuine AirTags 5 for $13

I didn't see anything in the comment which suggested they were. It is specifically points out there are devices not produced by Apple. Third parties can create compatible devices:

https://developer.apple.com/find-my/

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Then you have never tried to join a group chat where the other members of the group all have iPhones and use iMessage.

all the group chats im in use signal

Then you're probably missing out on some group chats others are in.

Re: NYPD urges citizens to buy AirTags to fight surge in car thefts

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> But as someone who spent years on iPhone, then switched fully to Android for 5 devices across 4 years Perhaps you don't know how to pick phones? My last Android device lasted 4 years (in fact it is still going strong after I installed DivestOS, became my backup phone), and my new device will probably last a long time too. Each for a fraction of the price charged by Apple.

Did it get operating system and security updates for four years?

They recently dropped support, so it doesn't get updates anymore. But I could install DivestOS, it works great actually.

More than I can say about the old iPad I have here, that became essentially a paperweight. First and last shit I bought from Apple.

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