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LED lighting badly suppresses human melatonin production at night

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Re: LED lighting badly suppresses human melatonin production at night

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This is why OLED lights is the future: http://www.ioledlight.com/ and https://www.oledworks.com/

Doesn't OLED tech (in TVs, screens) also works by having a blue emitter with filters for white/ colors (which is what the article covers) ?

Just the QD-OLED I think.

Re: LED lighting badly suppresses human melatonin production at night

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The ebook reader part is kind of disturbing, I have a warm mode on mine that I always use, and the brightness set as low as it'll go (I find it too bright, but they seem to use a linear scale so there's not much range of adjustment). I have a red LED striplight above my bed for reading paper books so I will try using that for the ebook reader and see if I notice a difference. My main issue is that interesting ebooks…

I recommend you to re-read the e-reader part but paying special attention to the scales of the graphs. They are all different. Kobo Aura peaks at 4000 counts in the blue spectrum, while the incandescent also emits about 4000 counts. The Kobo Clara only emits 2500 counts when full warm.

The key thing IMO is that the paper book was 0.9 lux but they cranked the ebook up to 30 lux. I missed that the first time. They also had the ebook set to "harsh blue", which my ebook reader can do but it also has a "warm" setting as well as the obvious ability to turn the brightness down from "glare of a thousand suns" to "candlelight"

Re: LED lighting badly suppresses human melatonin production at night

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I don't mean to sound like a grump. I was taught this back in highschool in my 2010 psychology class.

How is this different from the long standing understanding we already had that blue light inhibits melatonin?

This isn't some groundbreaking new development. Blue light therapy has been around for over a decade to help people correct their circadian rhythms.

It's why the Kindle claims that it shines a warm light across the screen rather than directly at you. It's why mobile phones have begun to incorporate a night mode that can warm the backlight on the screen from a blue white light to warmer oranges.

Re: LED lighting badly suppresses human melatonin production at night

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I don't mean to sound like a grump. I was taught this back in highschool in my 2010 psychology class. How is this different from the long standing understanding we already had that blue light inhibits melatonin? This isn't some groundbreaking new development. Blue light therapy has been around for over a decade to help people correct their circadian rhythms. It's why the Kindle claims that it shines a warm light acro…

Several things the article claims, which I was unaware of: The content of blue wavelengths in seemingly "white" LEDs; the content of blue light even in 'warm' LEDs (more minor but still present vs incandescent); and the impact of light position relative to the "horizon".

Re: LED lighting badly suppresses human melatonin production at night

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> is unscientific, lacking in perspective, and offensive. I agree it is unscientific speculation. Science doesn’t have any answers. As one example, there are no conclusive scientific answers on why global male testosterone is declining, or why American girls are experiencing early puberty. Any plausible explanation has compelling reasons to dismiss it, and we can’t know scientifically if they are correct. Yet we can…

> Yet we can see both clearly in the data. If you want to escape these changes, you can only get answers outside of scientific knowledge. Those would be not answers , then.

This is a common misconception. I don't need science to tell me not eat dirt, my sense of smell does that just fine. I also don't need science to tell me why someone is being mean to me, I can judge the social situation and make a good guess.

Science is great and gives lots of really good answers, but there are lots and lots of other ways to get answer.

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Banning ddt has lead to the death of many millions of people

How?

I think they are referring to the fact that it was used to eradicate malaria in a lot of places by destroying mosquitos and can't be used in that way now that it is banned.

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The council replaced the warm halogen bulb streetlights in our area with extremely bright LEDs that have no shielding towards houses. I slept in a ground floor bedroom with a bay window directly beneath such a light for a year. Despite installing blackout blinds as best I could, the ambient light in my room was about the same level as mid-dawn the entire time. My mental health suffered intensely almost to the point o…

Don’t sleep on eyemasks. Get one that is domed for the eyes.

Re: LED lighting badly suppresses human melatonin production at night

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Do you know does this actually lower the backlight or is it changing gamma or something like that. I'll try it anyways thanks

iphones are all OLED now, so there is no distinction. On an old LCD display there are some filters that do a linear/nonlinear mapping from 0->255 brightness to 0->64 for example, leaving the actual backlight at the same brightness. The downside is that colour banding and quantization start to get really bad - and 'black' starts to look very non-black.

The latest iPhone SE still has an LCD screen. It was released in 2022 and is still a current model.

Re: LED lighting badly suppresses human melatonin production at night

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There are a number of factors involved in LED lighting quality, and annoyingly not all are tested for in reviews or shown on specs. Think of an LED as a capacitor designed to leak electricity that emits light whenever it leaks in one particular direction. It's a bit handwavy but it works here. Depending on the design it might require more or less charge or voltage before the electrons jump over the diode (the light-e…

Regarding flickering of lights supposedly Dogs and perhaps other animals are quite sensitive to them.

I'm not surprised, many animals used to freak out at the flickering of old-school CRTs too
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