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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by LeonardoTolstoy »

HereBeBeasties wrote: post #202
nhinck2 wrote: post #164

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> quantum leap Ironically accurate.

In normal English usage, a quantum leap is a step-change, a near-discrete rather than continuous improvement, a large singular advance. Given we are not talking about state changes in electrons, there is nothing wrong with this description of ChatGPT - it truly does feel like a massive advance to anyone who has even cursorily played with it. For example, you can ask it questions like "Who was born first, Margaret Tha…

(1) You are correct in that placing both of those questions into Google doesn't quite get you anywhere near the answer that I imagine ChatGPT gives you (as you point out). Although, Google does "infer" which Bush you are talking about, there isn't a clear "this person is older" answer, you have to dive into the wiki pages basically to get the answer.

(2) Counter. I asked it the other day "how many movies were Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan in together" and the answer ChatGPT gave was 2 ... not only is that wrong it is astonishingly wrong (IMO). You could be forgiven for forgetting Ithaca from 2015. I could forgive ChatGPT for forgetting that one. But You've Got Mail? That's a very odd omission. So much so I'm genuinely curious how it could possible get the answer wrong in that way. And for the record, Google presents the correct answer (4) in a cut out segment right at the top, a result and presentation very close to what one would expect from ChatGPT.

I don't know about other use cases like generating stories (or tangentially art of any kind) for inspiration, etc. But as a search engine things like ChatGPT NEED to have attributions. If I ask the question "Does a submarine appear in the movie Battlefield Earth?" it will confidently answer "no". I _think_ that answer is right, but I'm not really all that confident it is right. It needs to present the reasons it thinks that is right. Something like "No. I believe this because (1) the keyword submarine doesn't appear in the IMDb keywords (), (2) the word submarine doesn't appear in the wikipedia plot synopsis (), (3) the film takes place in Denver () which is landlocked making it unlikely a submarine would be found in that location during the course of the film."

The Tom Hanks / Meg Ryan question/answer would at least more interesting if it explained how it managed to be so uniquely incorrect. That question will haunt me though ... there's some rule about this right? Asking about something you have above average knowledge in and watching someone confidently answer it incorrectly. How am I supposed to ever trust ChatGPT again about movie queries?

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by falcor84 »

coldtea wrote: post #105
gitfan86 wrote: post #65

In the early 2000s people were also annoyed about all the internet hype. "DotCom this and DotCom that" and it was stupid that a company could announce they were adding a DotCom to their name and the stock would go up a bunch. So yes, it is annoying that all these crypto scammers and entrepreneurs have put a wrapper around GTP API call and hype it up. BUT the rate of change in AI is enormous and it will be a much bigg…

> In the early 2000s people were also annoyed about all the internet hype. Well, they were right...

They were right? Even if we only consider the ability of the internet to enable remote work, the internet's impact to human life is astronomic.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by not_a_shill »

_hcuq wrote: post #287
not_a_shill wrote: post #206

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>Its the next hype train since the blockchain/crypto/nft's hype train. It really isn't. The business use cases even with current tech are pretty obvious. The problem with crypto/blockchain stuff was that it was useless. An emperor with no clothes. Is there a more legitimate argument for why they're similar other than "hype" or am I missing something?

> The business cases are pretty obvious ??? What are they? - bad code, with non obvious bugs? I would prefer the original slashdot/GitHub/blog post. Google used to do that. - chat bots? The customer service will still be shit. Your problem will still not be solved. But I guess some call center staff can be fired. Customers will be very happy to never be able to speak to a human. - Writing mediocre overlong content fo…

Think every day office jobs and try to figure out where you can use it as a productivity multiplier. You can figure out Microsoft's next step from there.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by barrell »

codeptualize wrote: post #24

I'm working on a project that uses GPT-3 and similar stuff, even before the hype. I think the overhype is really tiring. Just like with most of these hype cycles there is an actual useful interesting technology, but the hype beasts take it way overboard and present it as if it's the holy grail or whatever. It's not. That's tiring, and really annoying. It's incredibly cool technology, it is great at certain use cases,…

> Also, a lot of products I've seen in the space are really really bad and I'm kinda worried AI will get a scam/shitty product connotation.

I agree with this, I feel like I've seen a lot of really cool technology get swept up in a hype storm and get carried away into oblivion.

I wonder what ways there are for the people who put out these innovations to shield them/their products from it?

Luckily I have a lot of faith in the OpenAI people - I hope their shielding themselves from the technological form of audience capture.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by TooLazy »

capableweb wrote: post #51
nunodonato wrote: post #36

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I can say with a certain degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily.

I've worked with teams that used Copilot. They claim it's great "Hey, now I don't have to actually spend any time writing all this boilerplate!" while for me, the person who has to review their code before releasing stuff, easier ways of writing boilerplate is not a positive, it's a negative. If writing boilerplate becomes effortless, then you'll write more of it, instead of feeling the pain of writing it and then tr…

you could stop doing code reviews and do something else

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

carlosjobim wrote: post #226
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #103

Engineers are always building things that are incredible, then turning their back on it as ordinary once the problem is solved, “oh that’s so normal, it was just a little math, a little tweak, no big deal”. AI has gone through a lot of stages of “only X can be done by a human”-> “X is done by AI” -> “oh, that’s just some engineering, that’s not really human” or “no longer in the category of mystical things we can’t e…

> The human is computation also, unless you believe in souls or other worldly mysticism. I think it is incredibly sad that a person can be reduced to believing humans don't have souls. Do something different with yourself so you can discover the miracle of life. If you don't believe there is anything more to people and to the world than mechanical processes, I would challenge you to do a powerful spiritual activity.

By spiritual practice, do you mean something like studying the Skanda's or the 5 Aggregates? Or do you mean to open myself to the love of our lord and savior? It does make a difference in how you approach the world if your spiritual practice encourages insight, or if you are blinded by faith in a spiritual entity that is directing you.

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Post by rapnie »

not_a_shill wrote: post #286
rapnie wrote: post #242

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It is not about whether or not there's viable use cases or not. It is the hype added on top. Hype cycles are as old as IT. XML, Semantic Web, SOAP, Service Oriented Architecture, Enterprise Service Buses, Big Data, Serverless .. they all got their hype phase where you are bombarded with them to death, and then finally when that dies down some good applications remain.

I don't really understand your argument. Because other tech has been hyped in the past and let you down you think that will therefore extend to AI because...it just will? What precisely links AI to the semantic web or SOAP? (and it's always about business use cases)

I didn't mean to say that the tech necessarily will let you down, just that the hype is a common phenomenon, even when there are already viable applications. AI hype cycle is peaking, and I have no doubt that disruptive tech comes forth from it after it subsides.

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Post by narrator »

brookst wrote: post #132
rcme wrote: post #78

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As much as I’m sick of AI products, I’m even more sick of the “ChatGPT is bullshit” argument.

The biggest thing I’ve learned from chatGPT is that real people struggle with the difference between intelligence, understanding, and consciousness / sentience.

The most annoying thing to me is people thinking AI wants things and gets happy and sad. It doesn't have a mamailian or reptilian brain. It just holds a mirror up to humanity generally via matrix math and probability.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by lordfrito »

falcor84 wrote: post #283
lordfrito wrote: post #231

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> And the worst thing is that the bullshit hype comes round every decade or so, and people run around like headless chickens insisting that "this time its different", and "this time its the REAL THING". This. To answer the OPs question, this is what I'm fatigued about. I'm glad we're making progress. It's a hell of a parlor trick. But the hype around it is astounding considering how often it's answers are completely…

I'm having a really hard time following your argument. But absolutely agree we need to redefine the Turing test. Only problem is that I can no longer come up with any reasonable time-limited cognitive task that next year's AI would fail at, but a "typical human" would pass.

"Intelligence" is probably too nebulous a term for what it is we're trying to build. Like "pornography", its hard to rigidly define, but you know it when you see it.

I think "human level intelligence" is an emergent phenomenon arising from a variety of smaller cognitive subsystems working together to solve a problem. It does seem that ChatGPT and similar models have at least partially automated one of the subsystems in this model. Still, it can't reason, doesn't know it's wrong, and can't lie because it doesn't understand what a lie is. So it has a long way to go. But it's still real progress in the sense that it's allowing us to better see the dividing lines between the subsystems that make up general intelligence.

I think that we'll need to build a better systems level model of what general intelligence is and the pieces it's built out of. With a better defined model, we can come up with better tests for each subsystem. These tests will replace the Turing test.

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Post by rchaud »

kriops wrote: post #214
rsynnott wrote: post #200

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> ChatGPT and similar models are revolutionary For _what purpose_, tho? It's a good party trick, but its tendency to be confidently wrong makes using it for anything important a bit fraught.

If you work at a computer, it will increase your productivity. Revolutionary is not the word I'd use, but finding use cases isn't hard.

How will it do that?

One of major problems of modern computer-based work is that there are too many people already in those roles, doing work that isn't needed. Case in point: the culling of tens of thousands of software engineers, people who would consider themselves to be doing 'bullshit jobs'.

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