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Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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If someone doesn’t have the money to stock pile some food and fuel do you think they can afford to move?

Bus fare, then a homeless shelter until you find work in your new city?

So fight for space in a homeless shelter. Get robbed the days you find a bed. Get robbed or stripped of everything by the cops the days you don't and have to sleep outside. I've never been in the situation, but accounts from people who've survived it are a search away.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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> genetic-exacerbated substance abuse Could you expand on this a bit? Not a concept I am familiar with

> genetic-exacerbated substance abuse >Could you expand on this a bit? Not a concept I am familiar with Its profitable to pretend that personal choices have nothing to do with drug addiction. Then you can "treat" them forever collecting a monthly check from the government. I say this having grown up in a drug house and leaving as a 16yo teenager with nothing. I already regret this comment not because it isn't true bu…

I know what you mean. Unfortunately, I can only give your comment a single upvote

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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I can answer this as a dude that started off life at 11 homeless and went from there. Live in unquestionable poverty along with your support network of $4000 a year earners? Or take a bus to any random American city and get ready for your how many days can a green recruit last in Nam scenario?

>green recruit last in Nam scenario How is it any different where you came from? Once you become a teenager the gangs and predatory "adults" start closing in on you to either join/serve or be an outsider they abuse for amusement. I say this from similar situation as you but I was 16. Much easier since I could legally work in restaurants (which is what I did). I have no idea how you would make it without the ability t…

I think the problem gets much more complex, and I would assume that moving from pine ridge (and similar places) - one would find that their rent increases more than 400%. I am assuming that living there grants access to transportation in some regard, as well as community mentors that help with how to live and what can be done when something tragic happens. Moving is more than the cost in dollars to get from point A to point B - and living somewhere in the states could yield a worse life for people even if they suddenly increased income by 400%. Last report I saw listed 8 counties (?) where you could pay rent on minimum wage (?) - I think it was a few in New Mexico and western Oregon - not sure this is still true - but you may need more than a job and rent if moving to these places - cars and other things may be necessary. I also don't know how many people could move to these last few places before all the available housing was taken and prices go up, and all the basic jobs are taken and people start working under the table for less, bringing the average wage down. The shortage of housing in this country is crushing so many, and that's without the other tough things being considered.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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I knew about the alcoholism rates, but had always assumed it was a socio-economic / situational driven thing. I understand that historically it was used in some sense to control and indeed damage the Native Americans by the colonists? To what extent alcohol was completely new etc I do not know

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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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For some context from someone who's been on that Res, its population is highly vulnerable with no margin for mishaps. It's a place of generational, crushing poverty, crime, illness, genetic-exacerbated substance abuse, broad lack of economic opportunity, cultural isolation, and federal disinvestment. Free federal healthcare is available, but only at an IHS hospital in Rapid City 1.5 hours away in good weather: it's a…

> genetic-exacerbated substance abuse Could you expand on this a bit? Not a concept I am familiar with

populations differ in how well they can handle booze. this has been known since Roman times; various authors wrote how the Germans were more prone to alcoholism than Latins, an ethnic difference that persists to this day.

native americans have it particularly bad, and have for centuries. colonist traders exploited it for profit, missionaries tried to stamp it out, Indian leaders often campaigned to keep rum out of their territories, etc.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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>> For example, your grandmother from your moms side technically made the egg cells that you were born from. That can't be right. Grandma gave mom a single cell. Mom's ovaries with grandpa's DNA too produced the egg leading to me. Or is there some element I'm not aware of that make it more like stated above?

It this stage inherited “genetic trauma” is a fringe scientific theory.

Epigenetics is not fringe science - you inherit the methylation patterns from your parents' genes. Two people with the same genes can (in principle) have very different methylation patterns & thus differences in gene expression that result in changes in behaviour.

None of this is controversial.

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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So what your solution is some idiotic record stunt instead? Put so many shirts that you can’t see and barely move? Nah I’ll just burn shit. Also that record is from 2019. In what delusional universe is 2019 not “modern people”.

> Put so many shirts that you can’t see and barely move? Don't argue the metaphor. I know that you understand the general idea. Yep, "My" solution is "put this clothes in your own body instead to burn them, and will warm you for a much much, longer time". Hardly original or controversial. If the options are ridiculous but alive or stilish and frozen, seems an easy choice

What in earth does any of that even mean? What the fuck is an “alive” or “stilish” option. You seem to be writing complete nonsense. Did you have a stroke?

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Enough for a month of what? Small decorative fires part of the day, or fires large enough to heat the house and cook food on 24/7? The fireplaces I’m familiar with would never heat the entire house, no matter how much wood you had outside.

You don't need to heat an entire house to stay alive. Just enough so the people sitting next to the fire don't die of hypothermia

Sure. So enough wood to keep that room warm 12 hours a day for a month suddenly became enough wood to keep that room warm 24 hours a day for two weeks. The family that happened to put in a months supply two weeks before the storm started only had enough for one week of full time fires, and that ran out days ago. (The suburban european houses with a fireplace I know are more likely to burn it a few hours each day, which makes their month of wood worth only a few days of full reliance).

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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> genetic-exacerbated substance abuse Could you expand on this a bit? Not a concept I am familiar with

Not parent, but this is a generally accepted thing, e.g. https://www.bumc.bu.edu/genetics/research/substance-abuse/

That paper also seems to heavily qualify the findings, implying that environmental factors may dominate genetic ones (or may not, the point is that we don't know):

However, these loci explain only a small proportion of the genetic variance. The “missing heritability” may be explained by other genetic mechanisms and gene*environment interactions

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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This triggered two thoughts for me. First, how much of a killer the cold is. We've moved on from "global warming" to "climate change" language but there are a lot of places in the world that would be grateful for a few degree temperature rise (such as Latvia where I am from). Today, cold kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, while "heat deaths" are limited to geriatrics in the "first world." Second, preparedn…

Heat is less likely to kill you directly if you aren't forced to do physical work without any protection. However, tens of thousands of square kilometers of agricultural land is turned to desert in Central Europe with every single degree the yearly average temperature rises. Droughts are decimating crops made for prices skyrocket even before the war in Ukraine. That has some harder to attribute but none of the less s…

Heat has a well-defined kills-you-automatically limit of ~35 celsius wet bulb temperature. There isn’t a similar limit for cold.
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