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How far can you go by train in 5h?

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Re: How far can you go by train in 5h?

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You can really see the Paris-centric approach in France: From Paris you can reach almost any other major city in 4h, but on the other hand, all the other metropolis can barely reach 1/4th of the other major population center in 4h. Compare this to Germany where almost any major metropolis can reach 80% of the country in 4h ...

Metropolitan france is 54% larger than Germany so its not a fair comparison

Germany has more than twice the population density compared to France - and much less variance of it

Re: How far can you go by train in 5h?

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It also shows an effect that the focus on high speed rail brings: rural areas are often very badly connected. Here in France they've even kept shutting down regional lines. That creates the train equivalent of "fly-over states": areas that you see from the train while going through, but that it would be impractical to go to .

Has anyone considered the following? In a small town, you have a section of track running parallel to high speed rail. The track has a small and short "local" train (maybe just a couple of cars) that picks up passengers and accelerates to maybe 80 MPH, while the high-speed train slows to the same speed. The trains run next to each other for a couple of miles, some doors open between them, and people can step between…

I've mused about a similar idea for California's high speed rail, which, should it ever be built, would be rendered impractically slow by frequent stops.

The idea is to drop cars without slowing down. These cars would have brakes, that's it. Before the station, drop the car, it slows enough to give safe time for switching, and cruises to a halt at the local station.

That's drop off, pickup is the slow train, which runs twice a day in each direction and assembles the carriage on the way.

Impractical for various reasons, sure. But what if.

Re: How far can you go by train in 5h?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has anyone considered the following? In a small town, you have a section of track running parallel to high speed rail. The track has a small and short "local" train (maybe just a couple of cars) that picks up passengers and accelerates to maybe 80 MPH, while the high-speed train slows to the same speed. The trains run next to each other for a couple of miles, some doors open between them, and people can step between…

It has been considered and basically it’s not really reliable or practical or safe.

The problem is it's doable but if you do it, you might as well have a slow, regional railroad that goes between the stops of the fast international railroad. So a local/express situation, which is much simpler technology-wise.

Re: How far can you go by train in 5h?

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post #13

Being in the east of France, it's a bit sad how misconnected we are with the west of France. (Lyon Bordeaux you'd think can be done in 2 hours, but no it'll take like 6 hours).

I wish we had this attitude in California! Bordeaux is a city of roughly the same population and economic activity as Fresno, but there are many in California who still argue that Fresno should not be connected by high-speed rail to any place. California's cities are all arranged in a line, it should be the easiest high-speed rail project ever, but it languishes due to lack of imagination.

We're of completely opposite minds on this. A stop in Fresno should have been sacrificed so that California High Speed Rail could still happen for the majority of the state. Routing through the Central Valley was practically required for political reasons, and now the entire project has collapsed into a parody of itself.

California's cities are not all arranged in a single line. They are in two roughly parallel lines, separated by up to hundreds of miles and across mountains. There are the coastal cities of SF, SJ, SLO, LA, and SD (follows highway 1) and the Central Valley line of Sacramento, Stockton, Merced, Fresno, Bakersfield, Lancaster/Palmdale (follows highway 99 mostly). The 5 is a compromise interstate that runs in between these two, and there is very little development there. If you've ever driven the 5, you know what I'm talking about. Even most towns "on" the 5 are a few miles away.

The HSR line could have been drawn from LA to SF more or less following the 5, stopping at the outskirts of Bakersfield and then zooming straight through to a fork that stops next in either Gilroy (en route to the Bay Area) or Modesto (en route to Stockton and Sacramento). This would have been cheaper, shorter, and less encumbered by the need to get permits, approvals, easements, and the like from everyone in the Central Valley. Meanwhile, the chosen HSR route through the Central Valley runs through dozens of different counties, cities, tax districts, and regional planning agencies.

Also, Fresno is far less dense than Bordeaux, and has a population that generally considers a mile to be a "long walk."

Re: How far can you go by train in 5h?

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I've had an Amtrak train delayed by more than 5h on the West Coast, so here at least the answer is potentially 0. I grew up in the NE USA where Amtrak is usable, if not up to European standards, so trains here are particularly disappointing.

Re: How far can you go by train in 5h?

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I don't really have a preference, but having done my first couple flights in close to 20 years in the past 3 months, I was struck by how much has changed in that time. PreCheck and Global Entry weren't around when we went to Bermuda in August 2001. It was a trip notable not only for its proximity to 9/11 - by chance, my bag was searched either before we left L.F Wade in St. George's or on arrival back in Newark, but…

They've been trying to implement passport control before boarding the train between NYC and Montreal for a while, but nothing seems to have come of it. It was an Obama-era priority. I haven't taken that train in many years, but they basically stop the train at the border and immigration agents board and check everyone's passport. It's scheduled to take 2 hours. Really stupid. It's a 45 minute flight, and you go throu…

The Adirondack train is suspended since 2020 and had a commercial speed of 56 km/h (35 mph).

Re: How far can you go by train in 5h?

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post #97

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Boston to Philadelphia a closer approximation. The Acela is scheduled for 5h 1m for that trip. I travel between Boston and New York by train frequently, and even the slower regional service takes < 4 hours. Either way, still not a great comparison to Europe.

Sorry, this was confusing wording on my part -- I was trying to say that Boston/NY or NY/DC is consistently under 5 hours, and that just about everything else is over 5 hours, illustrating a gap in our network. NYC to DC is also consistently around 3.5 hours, even with the slower NE Regional.

Ah, gotcha!

Re: How far can you go by train in 5h?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has anyone considered the following? In a small town, you have a section of track running parallel to high speed rail. The track has a small and short "local" train (maybe just a couple of cars) that picks up passengers and accelerates to maybe 80 MPH, while the high-speed train slows to the same speed. The trains run next to each other for a couple of miles, some doors open between them, and people can step between…

It has been considered and basically it’s not really reliable or practical or safe.

It was also planned for cargo (e.g. at the Megahub Lehrte) but didn't really pan out there either, even though ISO containers are much more predictable in their self-propelled movement than humans. At least all the material from that site now shows much automation, but it all happens at rest.

Re: How far can you go by train in 5h?

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>>Intranational flight is a lot more common there. I imagine the economics of it are better, lower ticket price, and in many cases probably quicker too, even including airport BS. That is the problem in my opinion - I prefer sitting on a train, to sitting on a plane, but for most routes I need to travel (within the US) it takes longer to get there and is more expensive than flying - why would anyone want to pay more…

I don't really have a preference, but having done my first couple flights in close to 20 years in the past 3 months, I was struck by how much has changed in that time. PreCheck and Global Entry weren't around when we went to Bermuda in August 2001. It was a trip notable not only for its proximity to 9/11 - by chance, my bag was searched either before we left L.F Wade in St. George's or on arrival back in Newark, but…

On some routes between France and Switzerland police and customs inspection seems to take place on board. It's even better, no time wasted.

https://www.tgv-lyria.com/ch/en/travelling/on-board-support/...

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