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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by avgDev »

philliphaydon wrote: post #240
avgDev wrote: post #218

Oh please spare me this crap. This isn't true at all. I knew this was bs before switching to iphone but I was optimistic. Apple AirPlay is just pure trash, so I have to use chromecast. My Apple watch keeps bugging out and notifying me few minutes late and requires restart of both devices. The device keeps connecting to open networks while my remembered home network is available. The camera lens has issues with glare…

> Apple AirPlay is just pure trash, so I have to use chromecast. What's trash about it? Never had any issues with it, ever. > My Apple watch keeps bugging out and notifying me few minutes late and requires restart of both devices. Bugging out and notifying you a few minutes late for what? I get text messages on my watch at exactly the same time as my phone. > The device keeps connecting to open networks while my reme…

AirPlay doesn't connect, disconnects and cannot reconnect. This is far from working. Chromecast is MUCH MUCH more reliable. Just go look on forums.

The delayed notifications are also pretty common and addressed on many forums, even on apples. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7022042

https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWatch/comments/jj8wpv/slowdela...

The lens glare is extremely common on iphone 12/13, and I did NOT have glare this bad on my other devices. I believe some reviewers even mentioned it. https://www.reddit.com/r/iPhone13/comments/s0n095/iphon13_ca...

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by iainmerrick »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #15
mehdix wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this potentially breaking apple's walled garden? I wonder wether they will comply at all. Besides, I'm glad to see interoperability mentioned there, perhaps one day we could text from one messenger to another one without being held back by the owner.

> I wonder wether they will comply at all. Of course they will try not to. They will do everything to prolong the appeal process and so on - it's unthinkable they would allow any other app store on their devices, that's the very core of their identity - to be as closed and unified as possible. I don't believe the EU has enough power to fight Apple. I'll believe it when I see the first iPhone with an USB-C charger.

I don't think USB-C is a good yardstick. Apple could (and I think should) move to USB-C voluntarily. They already switched laptops and tablets over to USB-C, and most phone peripherals these days are wireless, so why should phones stick with Lightning?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by bun_at_work »

tlamponi wrote: post #229
nemothekid wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software. For some reason every Linux user assumes everyone is as smart as they are and anyone who doesn't take the time to learn whatever esoteric config file to manage their DE is a child that can't tell left from right. Somehow the decade of directed scams and proliferation of malware and spyware isn't a problem and it's the developers "right" to be able to turn…

1. Who talked about Linux? 2. Who said spam isn't a problem or that this act allows or even enforce to circumvent the strong privacy rules that the EU (not Apple) actually guarantees for their biggest single market in the world? News flash: you can combat spam and scams while keeping open and exchangeable basic infrastructure, without any walled garden. Otherwise, following your logic Apple would need to ban access t…

> People rather argue that the safety excuse is BS and people do not require being a Linux expert to detect spam, that they can also get over the landline or in person knocking on the door, for that one needs common sense and some not completely bad education.

This ignores human nature and reality. People are easily manipulated at scale, and the proof is that the scams and spam calls continue. If it was a matter of "common sense" then those things wouldn't be as prevalent as they are.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by pdimitar »

arghwhat wrote: post #242
brtkdotse wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

Well, as an average iPhone user, no. The reliability is mediocre. Keyboard crashing, UI glitching and having wrong dimensions/inoperable sections, occasionally deciding that minimum brightness is the only allowed value and being entirely unresponsive to the brightness slider, some days using waaaay more battery with no battery accounting, sometimes requiring a reboot to use a Qi charger, occasionally freezing and dro…

I hope you recognize that your experiences are anecdotal as well.

None of what you mentioned I even heard of, let alone experienced. Yet you come here and seem to be claiming that your anecdotal evidence weighs heavier than the anecdotal evidence of others. Weird.

It's a shame that you drew the short straw but maybe it's something in your setup, home network, mobile coverage or whatnot.

If we're going to exchange anecdotes, I can write at least 20 short horror stories of all 13 Android devices I owned over the course of 6 years, belonging to 5 different brands. They had systemic and repeatable / reproducible issues which I eventually concluded their custodians weren't interested in fixing.

I can keep going as well. None of what you said is actual evidence.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by Aperocky »

fbanon wrote: post #192

What HackerNews thinks will happen: "zomg, I will finally be able to run Arch on my iPhone!" What will actually happen: "honey, something is wrong with my phone, whenever I unlock it, a popup jumps up that says 'Please update the Adobe™ Updater™ to get up to date Adobe™ Software Updates', could you take a look at it?"

So you're saying this is finally the year of the Linux Desktop?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by syrrim »

jarbus wrote: post #190

Why is the EU able to pass pro-consumer laws, but America unable to? Are big tech companies just unable to properly bribe the European Union like they do the American Government?

Political organizations need to bear in mind the appearance of their actions. Big tech companies are predominantly American (google, apple). Europe putting more regulations on them reads as a patriotic act of defending people from corporate imperialism. The US regulating them reads as limiting the freedom that enabled them to reach such a dominant position in the first place.

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Post by the_duke »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #279
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

I think we should expect Apple and Google to fight this tooth and nail. I'm sure they've been following it and looking at ways to exploit any holes that are in it. In short, I expect it to be years before we can do most of the things you list in your post. There will be lots of court cases before we, as consumers, see any real change.

Regulators have learned from GDPR.

Enforcement for the large gatekeepers is with the commission,and they have a good amount of tools to enforce compliance.

I'm sure A/G will try to drag it out, but it won't be years.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by avgDev »

pdimitar wrote: post #272
avgDev wrote: post #218

Oh please spare me this crap. This isn't true at all. I knew this was bs before switching to iphone but I was optimistic. Apple AirPlay is just pure trash, so I have to use chromecast. My Apple watch keeps bugging out and notifying me few minutes late and requires restart of both devices. The device keeps connecting to open networks while my remembered home network is available. The camera lens has issues with glare…

Surely there's a better way to criticize somebody's take on a topic? iDevices aren't perfect but they cover 95% of what I need from them. Can it be better, much better even? Absolutely, yes. But your comment is painting a doom picture that is just not there for many people.

I'm responding to "it just works" comment. It's not perfect even though apple has complete control over the ecosystem.

The hardware is great but let's not pretend its perfect.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by Gareth321 »

sbenji wrote: post #287

I think this is aimed as much at Microsoft as any of the companies listed.

It certainly qualifies as a Gatekeeper, and perhaps I should have included Microsoft in the title. I'm just not sure how this impacts them. The most obvious candidate here is the Xbox, but I've not done any analysis with regards to this legislation and game consoles.

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Post by Joeri »

arghwhat wrote: post #242
brtkdotse wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

Well, as an average iPhone user, no. The reliability is mediocre. Keyboard crashing, UI glitching and having wrong dimensions/inoperable sections, occasionally deciding that minimum brightness is the only allowed value and being entirely unresponsive to the brightness slider, some days using waaaay more battery with no battery accounting, sometimes requiring a reboot to use a Qi charger, occasionally freezing and dro…

UI glitching and being stuck at minimum brightness is sometimes a sign of overheating or battery problems, and the OS applying draconic power management to compensate. Unusually high battery drain and overheating is something I once had because of a bad sim card, but YMMV. It is definitely not normal to see these problems on an iphone. I would take it in for service.
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