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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by CaptainNegative »

jarbus wrote: post #190

Why is the EU able to pass pro-consumer laws, but America unable to? Are big tech companies just unable to properly bribe the European Union like they do the American Government?

EU-based *aaS companies are practically nonexistent relative to US-based ones, so there's basically nothing holding them back from passing bills like this one gerrymandered to (i) companies with a global market cap above €75B, (ii) with 45 million European users, (iii) and an included web browser or messaging app. If they had companies satisfying those criteria, they'd certainly see more pushback.

I personally like these changes, but the cynical forum shopping underlying the €75B threshold they picked is pretty nasty behavior, and I hope US lawmakers retaliate appropriately.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by pdimitar »

avgDev wrote: post #218

Oh please spare me this crap. This isn't true at all. I knew this was bs before switching to iphone but I was optimistic. Apple AirPlay is just pure trash, so I have to use chromecast. My Apple watch keeps bugging out and notifying me few minutes late and requires restart of both devices. The device keeps connecting to open networks while my remembered home network is available. The camera lens has issues with glare…

Surely there's a better way to criticize somebody's take on a topic?

iDevices aren't perfect but they cover 95% of what I need from them.

Can it be better, much better even? Absolutely, yes. But your comment is painting a doom picture that is just not there for many people.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by MichaelCollins »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #256
MichaelCollins wrote: post #105

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The apparent desire for paternalism unnerves me. Any time people are free to choose who they associate with, they run the risk of coming across bad actors who would scam them or worse. In most domains of life, we have special protections for the senile elderly and children but everybody else is given freedom and subsequently expected to develop and exercise a sense of good judgement, because freedom is more important…

> The apparent desire for paternalism unnerves me. I find the EU imposing these conditions, under threat of force, on Apple that sells a product that people are free to buy or not buy, much more paternalistic than anything Apple does.

That is the role of governments. Europeans made the EU for this and similar purposes.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by alaric410 »

rvz wrote: post #172
alaric410 wrote: post #64

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Nonsense. You can't fight spam, criminal or hackers by restricting your ecosystem. Such measures only enable monopolies like Apple to make money at the expense of the consumer or competitors.

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by the_duke »

bushbaba wrote: post #211
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #198

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And will continue to work exactly like that after the required changes. We’ll just have more options.

Not if players like epic games don’t support Apple Pay (with east cancellation). Don’t support the app stores rules and are only found in 3rd party apo stores..etc. It’ll turn the iPhone into an android. Which sucks as I left android because I enjoyed the walled garden.

You are free to not use any app that doesn't want to submit to a 30%/20% Apple tax.

No one is forcing you to play Epic games.

But Apple will probably cut down their rates significantly so most companies stick with the app store.

Especially if the US follows suit.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by [deleted] »

brtkdotse wrote: post #185
yoavm wrote: post #100

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Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by mattnewton »

microtonal wrote: post #213
turbinerneiter wrote: post #200

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That's fine, just stay on the default settings then. This however isn't a reason for the rest of the world to accept this. And since the power in the market is highly concentrated and all of it is moving more and more in this direction, regulation enforces these alternative options now. All this does is regulate the power the provider of a product has over their customer. This does not ruin the walled garden for the…

That's fine, just stay on the default settings then. I agree in principle, but I worry that we end up in the situation where if you need to use a particular app, you can only get it from a third-party store that you don't trust. (Something gross like Facebook starting an app store.) Or course, this is mostly a result of Apple being greedy. If they had acted like a good steward of the platform rather than trying to ex…

> you can only get it from a third-party store that you don't trust. (Something gross like Facebook starting an app store.)

As apposed to today where you can’t get it at all if apple and the app disagree about anything?

I know you are thinking of another large enough player you don’t trust as much forcing their store as the only avenue for an app, but it’s hard to imagine how that wouldn’t provide large incentives for a smaller party to make a competitor on the official store.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by AndyMcConachie »

Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

I think we should expect Apple and Google to fight this tooth and nail. I'm sure they've been following it and looking at ways to exploit any holes that are in it.

In short, I expect it to be years before we can do most of the things you list in your post. There will be lots of court cases before we, as consumers, see any real change.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by techpression »

I really hope there will be an open iPhone that people can buy and they keep their existing one for those of us who doesn’t want our phones to become cookie-pop up-ridden data collecting nightmares that is guaranteed to to happen.

Anyone want to bet against Spotify requiring you to install the Spotify App Store to use the client?

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