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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Public health “experts” have done very little to quell fearful vaccinated people. In my opinion some of the worst anti-vaxx propaganda comes right from these health departments. If you are vaccinated, you are done with the pandemic. Morally, ethically, and practically. You should be allowed to return to actual, pre-pandemic normal. End of story.

> If you are vaccinated, you are done with the pandemic. Morally, ethically, and practically. You should be allowed to return to actual, pre-pandemic normal. End of story. What if you have children who are not yet eligible for the vaccine?

Then you look at the data and see that:

"Covid-19 has killed 280 children under 18 from January through September 2021, the time span in which the alpha and delta variants were active. Flu and pneumonia, heart disease, drowning, guns, and motor vehicles were all deadlier to children during the same time periods annually from 2015 to 2019 (the latest years with available data)[0]."

[0]: https://www.vox.com/22699019/covid-19-children-kids-risk-hos...

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public health “experts” have done very little to quell fearful vaccinated people. In my opinion some of the worst anti-vaxx propaganda comes right from these health departments. If you are vaccinated, you are done with the pandemic. Morally, ethically, and practically. You should be allowed to return to actual, pre-pandemic normal. End of story.

Even if you are vaccinated you can still get sick. The chances are reduced, but you can still end up in hospital, you could still die. If enough people still get sick at once there could still be a collapse in a local health system due to overloading. Given the uncertainty with new variations of COVID isn't it better to err on the side of caution and try to protect both the health systems and as many people at once?

It all depends on what are the numbers. In any case before deciding on vaccine mandates, certain conditions have to be satisfied:

1. Will the mandate increase vaccine uptake?

2. Will the mandate prevent overloading hospitals and clinics?

3. Are the health benefits for others proportionate to the risks for vaccinated?

4. Are less restrictive policies available that can achieve similar outcomes?

The UK decided to go with without vaccine mandates. They even revoked them for healthcare workers because with omicron variant they no longer made sense.

I am not saying what Canada should do, but at this moment vaccine mandates don't really seem worth to truckers, if not for all people.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

"... exactly the same group of people lamenting the paying of bail for BLM protesters are falling in line with rights for this trucker group ..."

That seems to be a gross over-generalization.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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It's obviously a peaceful protest*. The word "occupation" here is already spin from the side that wants to shut it down and is trying to build a case for doing so. Peaceful protest involves physically assembling and making noise. That is no doubt unpleasant both for those who disagree with the protestors and those who live in the neighborhood, but the right to do this in public is fundamental and vital in democratic…

It is literally, by every definition, an occupation. People came in and brought homes with them (sleeper cabs, RVs, etc). Now they have set up permanent structures such as kitchens and other facilities (today they brought in a sauna), and have been stating repeatedly that they are in for the long haul. There is a reason that's called an occupation. A protest is normally a discomfort for the protester. Enduring the el…

GoFundMe literally had no problem with CHAZ/CHOP and BLM protest funding in the middle of a pandemic.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I don't know what decade you were born in, but I have cousins aged 18 and 20 that have never been vaccinated because of their mom's political beliefs.

just because some people disagree with a policy does make it "political". I know someone that opposes seatbelt laws but that doesn't make them "political". That said I don't think it's productive to debate what "political" means.

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Are you sure you are on the right side of the argument yourself? Suppose next year, the government mandate that you lose weight, or stop smoking or run everyday, all that of course for the "greater good". And then the year after that, it requires that you give pills to your children because that makes them "less indisciplined" and so on and so forth. Stop being so certain and think a little bit. By accepting this man…

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This strikes me as a false equivalency made in bad faith.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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The blatant misinformation is this thread is astounding.

If you think this is “just a protest”, you don’t live in Ottawa and have no clue what’s going on

If you think vaccines are being forced on anyone, you have no clue what’s going on in Canada.

If you think GFM planned to “steal” the money, you clearly have no clue that the organizer’s plan called for excess funds to be given to charities.

The comments in this thread read like a typical unhinged Fox News comment section. To see this crap on HN is so disappointing.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Also keep in mind that in the backdrop of all this is the fact that our Prime Minister has called the protesters racists and misogynists. Probably inspiring someone who ran over some protesters in Winnipeg. Canadian news and politicians are desperately trying to denounce the protesters while ignoring the fact that Canada has some of the harshest Covid restrictions in the world at the moment, while the US has hardly a…

I'm concerned about 1st amendment and the soft power politicians have on freedom of speech (yes I know this is in Canada). When the head politician of a country essentially calls your group terrorist, wouldn't that put some pressure on social media or other organizations to restrict access, money or censor speech? Not all violations of free speech are literally police sending someone to jail for saying something. If…

Remember when Trump called antifa a terrorist org? I hope we've learned by now to stop taking the "terrorist" label seriously

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I hate both the protest group and desantis but honestly he’s right. The only reason gofundme (or any org with similar practices) do this is because they know that some people will miss the deadline, and the it becomes pure profit.

Hate is a pretty strong word for people resisting government overreach.

It's a reasonable word for people bullying a homeless shelter though. There's always some nuance

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I spent a decent part of my adult life in Canada and I can’t believe what in God’s name is happening to that place. Canada is experiencing a severe housing bubble at the backdrop of Chinese snow washing, wage stagnation is real and middle class is slowly getting wiped out. The only thing keeping the GDP at the level it is is high level of immigration which favours the wealthy in the name of a “point based immigration…

As a Canadian, it's been utterly shocking to watch our country crumble in the last few years. This summer I'll be moving away for good. In the last decade I've seen most of my family leave for the US due to the higher incomes. I always kept hope that maybe Canada would get better. It hasn't, it's gotten very bad. The insane level of immigration has eroded away any leverage the working class has. Now you see all that…

Where are you moving to?
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