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The UX on this small child is terrible

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Post by ungamed »

quartesixte wrote: post #147
acdha wrote: post #133

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It's a combination of several factors: American kids foods tend to be heavily processed and run to sweet, which will set the baseline if you let it, and there's this widespread belief that children won't eat grownup food so you should offer something else. We only offer what we're eating and, unsurprisingly, he has learned that as normal. That doesn't mean he eats everything — bitter flavors really are a learned tast…

> children won't eat grownup food so you should offer something else. Having grown up in an immigrant household where the children’s plate is just a smaller version of the adult plate, is this a thing in American households? The kids eat an entirely separate meal-course from the adults? I know baby food is processed but once a kid gets teeth, they’re just given what the adults eat. My grandmother would have banish fr…

My grandmother would do more than 'banish', I'd have been sore for a day at least.

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Post by ungamed »

mattlondon wrote: post #39
cpursley wrote: post #28

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Can somebody explain the "won't eat vegetables" thing? The only place I've heard about this being in issue is in America.

My kid (~2 years) prefers to eat food they like the taste of most. Turns out that they prefer the sweet tastes of biscuits and even bananas etc to broccoli and carrots. They'll whinge and whine about being hungry, so you offer them some peas or avocado or something and they will literally push it out of the way, look you straight in the eye, and tell you about how hungry they are (...but not hungry enough to eat the…

Carrots in Australia seem to be quite sweet compared to the carrots that I had in some of Asia, how do carrots taste in the US ?

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Post by ungamed »

glandium wrote: post #272
quadrangle wrote: post #242

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I can understand peas, but avocado is fatty indulgent wonderful food. Not liking avocado is absurd. It's like not liking peanut-butter. Side-note: I learned the most grotesque aberration that shows how the U.S. is orders of magnitude into complete dysfunction: there's something called "diet peanut butter" (learned about this because of a warning I saw online not to give it to dogs). WTF is "diet peanut butter"???? Pe…

Is peanut-butter really liked much outside the US/North America?

I don't think ive ever eaten it by itself, but I can confirm that I've had it on sandwiches in Australia, in Satay, (Golden tofu/chicken) and a peanut stew (African iirc).

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Post by nefitty »

thathndude wrote: post #125
nefitty wrote: post #122

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There are some logging modules that might help debug error messages: https://chatterbaby.org/pages/ It doesn't suppress the audio notifications.

Am I the only one who finds this tool a little scary?

The Cetacean Translation Initiative is doing a similar thing with whales. That one is scary to me.

I remember hearing that one researcher joked that the worst case scenario is that whales end up being really boring. That's not true. The worst case scenario is that we decode their language and realize that they're all constantly screaming in pain and terror.

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Post by ungamed »

mdavis6890 wrote: post #57
mattlondon wrote: post #44

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Generally speaking, added salt is something you need to avoid with young kids. Likewise for saturated fats. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/baby/weaning-and-feeding/foods...

Regarding salt, From the link, “babies” is different than kids. I doubt salt is going to hurt anyone older except in specific cases like heart disease or something. I don’t buy the saturated fats thing either, except to the extent that they are a source of calories. If you have links to some studies that indicate negative outcomes vs the same caloric intake from other sources I am willing to read them.

Anyone doing significant amount of exercise (kids) would likely benefit from salt in their diet.

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Post by cameldrv »

mithr wrote: post #73
cameldrv wrote: post #49

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I've heard some speculation that this can be related to breast vs. formula feeding. If the mom eats a lot of vegetables, some of the tastes will come out in the milk and get the baby accustomed to those tastes.

This is highly unlikely, similarly to claims that eating cruciferous vegetables will lead to gassy breast-fed babies. Breast milk isn't the distilled contents of the parent's stomach. In contrast, alcohol (for example) is a problem because it affects the parent's bloodstream , not because it fills their stomach.

On the alcohol thing, I'm inclined to agree. Even if you drink enough to be legally drunk, the milk should only be 0.08% alcohol, which is considerably less than say, orange juice. This of course does not at all apply to a pregnant woman.

On the cruciferous vegetable thing, I can say that it is a real phenomenon at least for some babies in certain circumstances. One of our babies was particularly prone to gas, and we had a few horrible nights. Finally, after the worst night of crying we'd ever had, it dawned on us that my wife had eaten a salad with raw brussels sprouts and also eaten cooked brussels sprouts that night. Once she cut out the brussels sprouts and went easy on the broccoli, the problem mostly went away.

Whatever the chemical in brussels sprouts that causes gas is, evidently it is active at pretty low concentrations at least for certain babies.

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Post by cpursley »

habeebtc wrote: post #260
na85 wrote: post #120

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Honestly I think it's just cultural. Parents inadvertently pass it on, or the kids get it from their peers. My daughter ate olives, Brussels sprouts, lettuce, cabbage, whatever really, from age 2 to 3. Now she's older and there's a bit of "asserting my independence" thing but she still loves Brussels sprouts.

I am not a naturally picky eater. It has really helped in my world travels. The one thing I cannot deal with is Beets. Which is the only food my father hated.

Have you tried Borscht with beef? It transforms beets into an entirely different thing. My favorite item from Ukrainian/Russian cusine.

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Post by tomaskafka »

christophilus wrote: post #61

The NLP in mine seems to be totally broken. It thinks “Stop throwing your food on the floor!” Means “Please, do that on loop.” Also, it supposedly has the advanced AI capabilities, but its driving is way worse than Tesla Autopilot.

Yep, they 1. don't understand negatives, 2. mirror the contents of the speech.

So, your ask was understood as "throwing your food on the floor". Better ask to "eat off the plate".

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Post by gattilorenz »

sk0g wrote: post #199
sophacles wrote: post #79

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Yeah, but look at puppy for example - it just eats what you give it. (If anything, the makers of that product should introduce a bit of pickiness tbh). The small child makers should really take an example from puppy - AI is a nice way to get some behaviors trained up, but over-doing it (e.g. in the "what to eat" module) can be just as bad as not enough (compare brine shrimp for the problems of a no AI approach).

At least that's usually the case! Our puppy is positively defective - she eats what she needs, and leaves the rest in the bowl. Unless there's chicken. Such bug-features are always handy! I wonder if it's consistently reproducible in other dogs, maybe there's some source code behind it that may be useful in other species?

> I wonder if it's consistently reproducible in other dogs

Our dog had the same behavior, but sterilization introduced a regression bug and she is now constantly hungry and begging for food.

It did solve the problem of giving her medicine, though: just present it as food and it's going to be devoured.

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