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LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by floatingatoll »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #290
floatingatoll wrote: post #283

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There is a chasm of difference between "We've identified something you have not given consideration to" as you describe (which I wholeheartedly support), and "We will insist we're right about the same points over and over again in every post about Firefox for all time" as HN behaves (which I do not, no matter what the topic). The former is a valuable and essential component of public issue reporting; the latter is no…

I see Firefox doing user hostile activity all the time, so I’m more inclined to think that are using telemetry in the slowly boiling frog analogy. The extension download data even without telemetry shows people want multi row tabs but they’re not putting it in by default. I am not sure how much the data is being used to improve user experience.

Which extension do you mean?

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by GhettoComputers »

floatingatoll wrote: post #291
GhettoComputers wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see Firefox doing user hostile activity all the time, so I’m more inclined to think that are using telemetry in the slowly boiling frog analogy. The extension download data even without telemetry shows people want multi row tabs but they’re not putting it in by default. I am not sure how much the data is being used to improve user experience.

Which extension do you mean?

Multi row tab.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by Nasreddin_Hodja »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #265
junon wrote: post #228

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Let's stop making privacy a techie-only thing, though. This should be a question a user chooses the first time they boot the browser, and Firefox should do its hardest to honor it.

What is privacy really? The browser? The ISP gets your data, the site gets metrics, and VPNs will just redirect traffic.

> The ISP gets your data

Browsers know much more. Most channels are encrypted nowadays so ISP doesn't know what you talk about on internets.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by fsflover »

solarkraft wrote: post #61
fsflover wrote: post #4

Genuine questions. Aren't such forks harming the actual Firefox developers by decreasing the Firefox user base? Doesn't it help the Google monopoly on the web?

No, since a fork is still fundamentally Firefox.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29106582

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by morjom »

ignoramous wrote: post #262
tarasglek wrote: post #128

Author of Mozilla telemetry here. You can accomplish this with official firefox by blacklisting incoming.telemetry.mozilla.org domain, per https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/search?q=telemetry.moz...

Of the 180 lists we track at RethinkDNS, all the top ones contain *.telemetry.mozilla.org https://rethinkdns.com/search?q=telemetry.mozilla.org That said, on Android, I don't see a single telemetry.mozilla.org entry in my DNS query logs.

Hi what exactly is your offer with RethinkDNS vs lets say, nextdns?

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by ignoramous »

morjom wrote: post #295
ignoramous wrote: post #262

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Of the 180 lists we track at RethinkDNS, all the top ones contain *.telemetry.mozilla.org https://rethinkdns.com/search?q=telemetry.mozilla.org That said, on Android, I don't see a single telemetry.mozilla.org entry in my DNS query logs.

Hi what exactly is your offer with RethinkDNS vs lets say, nextdns?

Hi: NextDNS is the gold-standard and many capable alternatives have cropped up in its wake in the recent times like windscribe's controld.com but RethinkDNS is not it.

Our primary objective is anti-censorship, and so, we make it simple for folks to deploy their own DoH (which means all our code is open source). Today, the serverless DoH stub resolver deploys to cloudflare workers but we plan to support deno.com/deploy and fly.io soon (already have it working in our development branches but the incompatibility between node and deno is causing a bit of pain to merge with mainline). RethinkDNS is the reference serverless DoH deployment, if you will.

We support DNS-based content-blocking too (out of sheer need for it from our users) but believe the right avenue to block content is either in-app where possible (like uBlockOrigin in Firefox) or at the IP-layer (not DNS), and hence we also build a Firewall (due to limited time, the RethinkDNS + Firewall app is Android-only, for the time being [1]).

That said, we do plan to achieve parity with NextDNS, but that's going to happen over a period of time since our team of 3 is stretched thin between building the firewall (too much complexity!) and the dns (too much work!).

[0] https://github.com/serverless-dns/serverless-dns

[1] https://github.com/celzero/rethink-app

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by hulitu »

dblohm7 wrote: post #268
hulitu wrote: post #261

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You forgot safe browsing.

What about it? How you probably think it works in Firefox and how it actually works in Firefox are two different things, by the way: https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/how-safe-browsing-works-...

As soon as i start firefox on windows it connnects to 1e100.net and makes a lot of connection to this domain even when no page is displayed (just the start screen). This is another reason why i'm in the process of switching from Firefox to another browser. A program shall not initiate network connections if not asked to.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by junon »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #288
junon wrote: post #287

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Not having to use servers at all is kind of a preference. Why do browsers need to phone home at all?

When you use a site, you’re using servers and they have logs. This is unrelated to the browser itself, although ideally it shouldn’t have telemetry. But even so the servers of sites you use will and you can’t control the data collection.

When I boot Firefox, that operation should not automatically connect to a server unless I have a default web page set.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by BrendanEich »

sfink wrote: post #114
jasode wrote: post #66

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>Why are there not more successful forks of Firefox? [...] What's preventing other forks from taking off Some of the replies to your question state "money" but there are also more fundamental reasons of choosing Chromium over Gecko: technical functionality and performance (especially on mobile) . You'd think an ex-Firefox programmer and Mozilla co-founder such as Brendan Eich would have chosen Gecko for Brave but he…

If you read that tweet, it mainly says that they made the choice based on DRM licensing. Well, plus a vague "it lost on many dimensions in a head to head comparison enumerating gaps vs. Chrome". Which I can't argue, because there are no specifics to disagree with. That said, I work on Gecko and it is indeed an old crufty codebase with numerous issues. From what I've seen of Blink, it seems surprisingly similar (overa…

DRM was not the main issue we faced, just one of many. I wasn't vague, Twitter limits size to 280 chars. We developed a decision spreadsheet with the data in almost all the rows weighing against Gecko.

Your "seeming enthusiasm for burning some bridges behind him" is bunk. On what did you base it?

Again, we started Brave based on Gecko (multiprocess sandboxed embedding via Graphene, which was developed for FirefoxOS). We did not just jump to Chromium upon founding. A startup is a no-BS/little-room-for-error setting with scarce capital. To suggest I did anything uneconomic out of spite is silly.

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