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Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by aazaa »

ilwu_member wrote: post #275

I am a member of ILWU 13. A couple thoughts after reading the comments: The zoning change is for TEU storage outside the port. The port itself was not subject to that rule. The Port of Los Angeles is a landlord and is not directly involved in operations. Private companies, such as APM, EverPort, and others, rent piers/berths and are responsible for the actual operations and logistics. Some speculation: recently I’ve…

> ... recently I’ve heard of some ships not even waiting to load empty TEU’s as they normally would and instead they are immediately leaving for China, literally empty.

If this is happening, what would be the consequences of allowing even more TEUs to be stored on the US side?

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

twic wrote: post #228
Animats wrote: post #85

Truckers are leaving containers all over Los Angeles.[1] Allowing stacking over 2 high is only useful if you have the equipment to stack over 2 high. A place that just stacks empty containers 2 high probably only has large forklifts. The special equipment for high stacking is far more expensive, and only bought if you need it.[2] A more useful proposal is a "peel pile".[3] This is a system which assigns outgoing truc…

What if they stood the containers up on end?

Then you have the problem of picking it back up again. When it's right-side-up, you can get under it. When it's on end, you can't.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by salawat »

tialaramex wrote: post #192
lxgr wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is bufferbloat related to the situation at hand?

Larger stacks is a larger buffer. Just as the network can only have a relatively small amount of traffic actually "in flight" but lots can be stuck in buffers - so likewise only a relatively modest amount of containers can be on ships in the ocean. You need a buffer or every little inconsistency reverberates and it gets out of hand, but bufferbloat shows how too much buffering makes things worse not better. If your m…

Mmmm. Doesn't necessarily hold as packets don't exist sans payload. You'd have to add an extra layer on top of the TCP logic to represent the logistical processes involved with moving packets to be filled with payload which are themselves not payload to places they are to be filled.

In a way, it sets off more token ring-ish bells for me for some reason.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by rcpt »

cracell wrote: post #34
burlesona wrote: post #4

Zoning laws prevent stacking containers more than 2 high. FFS. Zoning as practiced in the US may be the most pervasive, banal evil in the country. It kills our GDP[1], is a major driver of racial inequity[2], increases wealth inequality[3], and creates car-dependency which has horrible public health impacts[4]. Yet somehow nearly no one in America is aware of this or concerned about it. I wish I understood why that i…

Just no. Zoning is extremely important. You should not be allowed to build a factory in the middle of a neighborhood next to a school. There are certainly bad zoning laws but to say they are all bad is just ignorant nonsense.

This is Long Beach, where we literally drill for oil right in the middle of residential neighborhoods.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

baybal2 wrote: post #222
Jolter wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And hence the extreme explosion in shipping prices, I assume. Anyone buying freight from China to LA now has to also pay for returning the empty. What I’ve been told is the price for shipping one container has increased 10-fold because of this.

Yes, it's cheaper to dump the container, and buy new one in China. Sounds absurd, but that's how it is.

Hmm. If anybody is sitting on an idea that needs used shipping containers, now might be the time to pick some up.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by _3u10 »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #279
_3u10 wrote: post #7

Wrong move. The container problem is way more of an effective tariff on China than anything else we could think of. The best part is every container impounded in the US is a drain on destinations that aren’t in the US like Europe.

I guess this means you can’t export either.

Nah, there’s plenty of containers for that. If they want a container they’ll have to buy something.
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