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Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

#181
post #7

Wrong move. The container problem is way more of an effective tariff on China than anything else we could think of. The best part is every container impounded in the US is a drain on destinations that aren’t in the US like Europe.

Literally wrecking the entirety of global supply lines in order to "spite" "Chyna"

How petty can US citizens be?

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

#182
post #27

Does this mean it is a cheap time to buy empty shipping containers?

No. Shipping container prices have risen threefold. The transshipment companies who have to deal with the containers piling up don't own the containers, and can't sell them to you.

Could someone feasibly charge for storage of them offsite?

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

#183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In practice, people are pushed out of their homes because they can't afford to live in the neighborhood full of high rise apartments anymore, and they then struggle to make a living (much less find another place to live). It's funny that the GDP itself is prized over the people who are supposed to be the beneficiaries of an economy with a high GDP.

If such people are homeowners (after all, it is homeowners who are the one complaining about this on zoning boards), they’ll become fantastically wealthy in such a scenario. They have nothing really to complain about except a wealth tax (of course, by limiting property tax increases, California’s prop 13 is like a wealth SUBSIDY).

That's unless the government uses eminent domain to give your home to a developer as "slum clearance"

Then, you're turned into a renter against your will, and also, everyone else needs to find new housing at the same time, so even before the new luxury units go up, the rent skyrockets.

Poor people with expensive homes can't defend their ownership. That takes paying expensive lawyers

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

#184

A little off topic, but these ports don’t usually store so many empty crates, so why do we have them now? Are we not exporting at the same rate? Is that even what empty crates are used for? I’m assuming they aren’t sent back to (mostly?) China empty. I read something about the prices to ship out of the US being very high, but isn’t the price coming in also similarly proportionally high, yet we still have a backlog of…

It is completely standard in the shipping industry to have lopsided routes, where one direction has 100% full containers, and the return direction a much lower percentage, like 50%. The shipping cost of different routes takes this into account.

And hence the extreme explosion in shipping prices, I assume. Anyone buying freight from China to LA now has to also pay for returning the empty. What I’ve been told is the price for shipping one container has increased 10-fold because of this.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In practice, people are pushed out of their homes because they can't afford to live in the neighborhood full of high rise apartments anymore, and they then struggle to make a living (much less find another place to live). It's funny that the GDP itself is prized over the people who are supposed to be the beneficiaries of an economy with a high GDP.

Out of interest what the mechanism that results in people being priced out of houses they own?

Everything else becoming more expensive, including taxes.

Eminent domain is another.

Why not worry about renters though? Are they not people?

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

#186

Would be nice to see a follow-up of exactly what this fixed. He mentioned only 7 of 100 cranes were in operation, does that mean more cranes will soon be able to operate because they have room to put containers?

Well, assuming enough truck terminals have stacking equipment that can actually pile more than 2 high, it should free up some more wheels to start pulling full containers out of the port. But who knows? And it’s hardly going to solve this problem by itself.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

#187
post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy in charge took a paternity leave for 2 months and no one in the media even noticed.

>The guy in charge took a paternity leave for 2 months and no one in the media even noticed. Don't worry, once people did notice, it did take long before they started ridiculing him for spending time with his family.

I didn't get appointed by the President to a Secretary position overseeing government resources.

I work at a tech company. I have responsibilities that I actually care about, and they are important to me and many others, so I could not possibly just disappear for 2 months. I can barely take a weekend off without feeling guilty.

It's not about why he wasn't there... it's that he wasn't there, for any reason. It shows that he doesn't care, and the people who picked him and allowed that to happen, also don't care.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

#188
post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real-time 3D bufferbloat visualisation! https://netduma.com/blog/beginners-guide-to-bufferbloat/ uses traffic as the metaphor, but future articles will use shipping containers.

How is bufferbloat related to the situation at hand?

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Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

#190
post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In practice, people are pushed out of their homes because they can't afford to live in the neighborhood full of high rise apartments anymore, and they then struggle to make a living (much less find another place to live). It's funny that the GDP itself is prized over the people who are supposed to be the beneficiaries of an economy with a high GDP.

>It's funny that the GDP itself is prized over the people who are supposed to be the beneficiaries of an economy with a high GDP. The GDP isn't a magical number that rises by making people suffer. It rises because NIMBYs are unable to force others to struggle by keeping them out of their economically advantageous land.

The economic advantage of that land is that the nimbys are there.

Similar land is all over the place

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