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Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by afarviral » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:00 PM UTC

jay_kyburz wrote: post #71

hulahoof wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in Australia and for myself personally, I am not worried about how we are being treated _now_, I am worried about the powers that have the capacity to be abused in the future without a legal standing for opposition.

I feel the need to point out that you are probably not concerned about your treatment now because you have no power and are of no consequence. If you were a senior public servant and had uncovered some wrong doing in your, or any other department, you would care. If you were a journalist and writing a story that could embarrass somebody with power, you would care. If you were in the military and a witness war crimes,…

In NZ and AU you are not restricted by the covid laws if you are in these situations. Other laws protect your right to comms and legal representation, nothing about the covid restrictions has anything to do with that stuff..? Could theoretically be twisted or further changed down the road to protect corrupt officials? Please elaborate.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by Handytinge » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 7:58 AM UTC

BelenusMordred wrote: post #288

stephen_g wrote: post #14

It’s a fairly complex situation. Most people just don’t realise all the encroaching police state laws even exist (I refer to the real ones Federally, not the temporary State-Government health orders that some people have tried to blow out of proportion). We have very little media diversity. The few billionaires who own the few outlets enjoy the continuing tax cuts, random free grants, advertising spend, etc. from the…

> not the temporary State-Government health orders that some people have tried to blow out of proportion They banned single mothers from taking their child to playgrounds after being locked in their homes for weeks and then fined them thousands for doing so. They got rid of this absurd rule when cases rose by 3x, further highlighting how absolutely ridiculous it was. Certain state governments have clearly overstepped…

You're intentionally misrepresenting the facts here. They closed playgrounds - they did nothing to target single mothers specifically. And the removal was made based on vaccination position, which was announced well in advance.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, however my experience is that people who intentionally misrepresent a scenario usually don't go down well in time either.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by Handytinge » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 8:01 AM UTC

iammisc wrote: post #263

aunty_helen wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We have never had to feel the full force of the repercussions of our voting or policies I would suggest that the restrictions on Australians being able to _leave_ the country has been a direct result of their poor voting choices. However tying the two together seems to approach conspiracy theory level of thinking. I'm not sure if it's the same in Australia, but in NZ there's another saying that really kills me as it…

Don't give your guns away next time.

I do find this response humourous from Americans. What's the plan, fighting off the most well equipped military in history with a few AR15s and shotguns? How do the American people having guns stop tyranny?

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by BelenusMordred » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 10:10 AM UTC

Handytinge wrote: post #292

BelenusMordred wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not the temporary State-Government health orders that some people have tried to blow out of proportion They banned single mothers from taking their child to playgrounds after being locked in their homes for weeks and then fined them thousands for doing so. They got rid of this absurd rule when cases rose by 3x, further highlighting how absolutely ridiculous it was. Certain state governments have clearly overstepped…

You're intentionally misrepresenting the facts here. They closed playgrounds - they did nothing to target single mothers specifically. And the removal was made based on vaccination position, which was announced well in advance. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, however my experience is that people who intentionally misrepresent a scenario usually don't go down well in time either.

> they did nothing to target single mothers specifically

It was example of the outcome, not a declaration of the actual law.

The Victorian government now has more cases than ever before and is amusingly opening up, dropping nearly all restrictions/curfews, they've been dragged kicking and screaming though this whole thing and have prided themselves on being the strictest state government possible with a tough on covid approach. Despite that, having the toughest restrictions and the world record for lockdowns, they still end up with the most deaths and infections in the country. Clearly whatever they are doing isn't working, yet the rusted-on types will support them no matter what while ignoring the clear and plain facts about the massive differential between state policy outcomes in Australia.