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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by michaelrubin »

lame-robot-hoax wrote: post #32
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the Pfizer vaccine doesn't contain any of the virus, unless it's just the immune reaction to the spike protein that causes the problem?

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/05/04/sp... Derek Lowe has a post that discusses this. In short from what I remember, the vaccine is administered in the deltoid, so most of the spike proteins should remain there. Some may travel throughout the body, but overall it is much much less than a natural infection. That’s why I’m curious to compare myocarditis rates after vaccination to those after infect…

Did they ever confirm this experimentally, or it is just speculation about how it should work? It does seem like spike protein traveling further through the body than we thought it would would explain this.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by trhway »

weaksauce wrote: post #271
trhway wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk how come so if those "everyone" got vaccinated? I mean all the risk groups who has clearly higher risk from covid than vaccine should definitely go for vaccine. The rest - personal choice of risk. And as a healthy 49 years old, i'm taking my chance with covid and have no plans for vaccination (i was always laughing at anti-vaxxers, yet seeing all misinforma…

> And as a healthy 49 years old, i'm taking my chance with covid and have no plans for vaccination so you would rather be at between a 1 in 500 and a 1 in 250 risk of dying in your age group + a much higher risk than that of some long covid symptoms that are debilitating/unknown if they will ever get better vs. a 1 in a 1,000,000 chance you get something that might be bad but is likely survivable... I don't understan…

>between a 1 in 500 and a 1 in 250 risk of dying in your age group

your post is an example of the "logic" that is abundant and has highjacked the info space especially when it comes to covid. The numbers you use are aggregated across the whole age group and not adjusted for health status/risks. There are orders of magnitude difference of risk between different people with different health conditions even in the same age group.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by trhway »

eganist wrote: post #289
Talanes wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Responding to skepticism with hostility does nothing except make you feel better. And further convince the skeptics that you're wrong. After all, if you'll try to tell them that their own lived experience is a lie, why should they believe anything you tell them?

> Responding to skepticism with hostility does nothing except make you feel better. And further convince the skeptics that you're wrong. After all, if you'll try to tell them that their own lived experience is a lie, why should they believe anything you tell them? I hear you, though it's not an effort at convincing the OP employing manipulative communication. It's an effort at highlighting the manipulation—with refer…

>the OP employing manipulative communication.

> ... it's an effort at highlighting the manipulation—with references—so that vulnerable readers are informed and inoculated against it.

as i've already shown (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27467720) you invented the "manipulation", ie. you generated misinformation, and you're clearly acknowledging here that you're using that misinformation in order to affect "vulnerable readers", ie. for propaganda purposes.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by dsr_ »

Actual numbers from the article: --- There were 283 observed cases of heart inflammation after the second vaccine dose in those aged 16 to 24 in the VAERS data. That compares with expectations of 10-to-102 cases for that age range based on U.S. population background incidence rates, the CDC said. ---

The population for this is 130 million people who had one or both doses.

So, the chances might increase from one in a million (or possibly one in ten million) to as much as two in a million.

OK. I don't think about one in a million risks, even though they happen to about 8,000 people a day. It's not reasonable.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by vimy »

Flatcircle wrote: post #120

May wife got severe joint pain like arthritis across both arms and in other parts of her body after the Pfizer vax. She's getting several tests done and has been doing physical therapy. It was several months ago and it doesn't seem to be getting better. Her PT said she's been seeing lots of these. She never had covid. I hope she gets better, it's been really difficult.

Sounds like this: https://mobile.twitter.com/yodoctoryo/status/137127533820710...

This doctor might be able to help, he’s been doing a lot of research to long covid.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by eganist »

trhway wrote: post #294
eganist wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Responding to skepticism with hostility does nothing except make you feel better. And further convince the skeptics that you're wrong. After all, if you'll try to tell them that their own lived experience is a lie, why should they believe anything you tell them? I hear you, though it's not an effort at convincing the OP employing manipulative communication. It's an effort at highlighting the manipulation—with refer…

>the OP employing manipulative communication. > ... it's an effort at highlighting the manipulation—with references—so that vulnerable readers are informed and inoculated against it. as i've already shown ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27467720 ) you invented the "manipulation", ie. you generated misinformation, and you're clearly acknowledging here that you're using that misinformation in order to affect "vu…

> as i already pointed out you invented the "manipulation", ie. you generated misinformation, and you're clearly acknowledge here that you're using that misinformation in order to affect "vulnerable readers", ie. for propaganda purposes.

I was clear in providing citations. At this point, you need to provide your own backing for all the other vaccines you've supported, such as the flu vaccine, MMR, etc. if you want to lend credibility to the idea that you're not broadly anti-vaccine.

Thing is, even if you're against new-technology vaccines, we have numerous old-technology vaccines following the same paradigms used to make the vaccines I mentioned above (AZ, JJ, etc). Being broadly anti-covid-vaccine essentially acknowledges holding generalized anti-vaccine opinions since the majority of vaccines on the market make use of legacy manufacturing techniques.

I don't see this conversation between you and me being any more productive. Sock puppetry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sock_puppet_account) is a pretty established pattern, and it's easily defeated by asking people to provide their sources, something you haven't done with your assertions against the COVID-19 vaccines.

Cheers, mate. I wish you the best.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by ds206 »

dsr_ wrote: post #296

Actual numbers from the article: --- There were 283 observed cases of heart inflammation after the second vaccine dose in those aged 16 to 24 in the VAERS data. That compares with expectations of 10-to-102 cases for that age range based on U.S. population background incidence rates, the CDC said. --- The population for this is 130 million people who had one or both doses. So, the chances might increase from one in a…

I'm just curious, do you think your chances of dying or having serious problems from catching covid is higher or lower than one in a million?

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by seoaeu »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #288
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #280

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He is wrong to make such a claim without data. However, absense of evidence is not evidence of absense, either. The simple truth is that there hasnt been enough time to really understand the long term effects of covid, or the vaccine. Anyone claiming otherwise is simply lying.

And no one understands the effects the Russell teapot orbiting Earth right now has on the human body, either.

Oh, it would probably be lethal. But luckily Russell claims the teapot is in a stable solar orbit between Earth and Mars, so we should be fine for now.
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