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Re: High IQs are associated with mental and physical disorders

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Post by pseudalopex » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #285

pizza234 wrote: post #278

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Are you referring to the IQ? So, a conversation starter like "Hi! What's your IQ"? I've never heard it, and I don't think anybody, except people with incredibly poor social skills, would use it.

I'm thinking about more typical clubs and interest groups. In a chess club, you can talk about chess without worrying about whether the person is interested in chess. In an underwater basket weaving club, you can talk about underwater basket weaving without worrying about whether the person is interested in underwater basket weaving.

Social clubs aren't rare. Most people like to discuss current events. And few turn down opportunities to talk about themselves.

Re: High IQs are associated with mental and physical disorders

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Post by centimeter » Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 11:58 PM UTC

zpeti wrote: post #269

centimeter wrote: post #76

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That doesn't clash with my observations at all. Environmental activists of all strains, including climate enthusiasts, are overwhelmingly white.

It might not clash with your observations but it’s a pretty racist thing to say

If something is true, I don't really care if you're going to try to attach a negative emotional connotation to it (at least if we're discussing things at arm's length).

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Post by bena » Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 2:58 AM UTC

O_H_E wrote: post #289

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Is the answer "yes"? Because I often feel that it's a combination of both. You need luck to get certain opportunities, but fully taking advantage of them or maintaining them requires putting in the work.

I am not sure if that is a tongue in cheek "yes", but yeah IIRC his answer (after some precursory modeling/scripting) was that yes it's both. Something along the lines of: There is so many variables and so many people, so the person who is gonna be the next Gates/Jobs/Musk will have to hit the jackpot all of them in order to get there. Nb. it has been some time since I watched that video, don't quote Derek on my tong…

It's a bit of a cheeky answer, but such in the way that I apparently agree with the video in question. Dismissing the role luck plays in any endeavor is being obtuse. But so is ignoring the work that goes into being able to take advantage of the luck as well.

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 3:29 AM UTC

float4 wrote: post #282

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> Intelligent people are accepted. Understood? Not so much, but they are accepted. Accepted because you conform to a certain societal expectation is not really acceptance. And if they were truly understood > I clearly speak of people I know: "The people I know", "Those aforementioned people". Also, they often did do one, maybe two of these things, but their life wasn't balanced at all. So not just anecdotal data, but…

> Accepted because you conform to a certain societal expectation is not really acceptance. Social acceptance heavily depends on conformity. Groups don't welcome you if you do not conform to group identity. This is why not every group works for every individual. Sure, sometimes groups should overcome prejudice or stigma, but when you're "difficult to relate to", or "difficult to communicate with" (your examples), then…

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Re: High IQs are associated with mental and physical disorders

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Post by nullsense » Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 9:29 AM UTC

Consultant32452 wrote: post #55

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I haven't taken an IQ test since... A billion years ago, so maybe it's the same, but having taken the LSAT, you can certainly learn them. My first LSAT I ever took was 78 percentile, whereas by the end I was scoring 95-98 with relative ease.

A normal IQ person can improve their IQ/LSAT/GRE test score with appropriate training, but a higher IQ person will tend to score proportionally higher given the same training.

Makes sense. Seems like IQ is just fluid intelligence which mediates the rate of acquisition of crystallized intelligence.

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Post by nullsense » Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 9:34 AM UTC

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #26

Long, long ago, I came to the conclusion that intelligence was inversely related to sanity. Not a scientific observation, just that people who I knew who were very smart also tended to have difficulties in more ways than the people I knew who had typical intelligence. Typical issues were depression, insecurity, difficulty relating or communicating with others, ... Certainly you can find people with these issues in al…

Same here. It became somewhat obvious after learning to think about the world in terms of distributions.

Most everything at the top and bottom ends of the distributions are problematic in some way. IQ seems no exception.

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Post by DreamScatter » Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 3:58 AM UTC

bena wrote: post #255

float4 wrote: post #249

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> Now imagine your entire life was that. No, because you should shape your life differently in that case. The people I know who were both intelligent and depressed dramatically improved their life by doing less thinking. Exercise, play a musical instrument, explore nature, help people in need, go after that girl/guy you like. But no. Instead, those aforementioned people spent the majority of their time doing stuff th…

What makes you assume that they don't exercise, play an instrument, etc? And why is it on the intelligent to "do less thinking" instead of the world to understand that they can't think on the same level? We don't ask those with extreme physical gifts to sell themselves short in order to accommodate those less gifted. We don't ask those with virtuoso talents to "do less creativity". Why must those with extreme intelle…

It's about balance.