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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by take_a_breath »

eanzenberg wrote: post #285
take_a_breath wrote: post #103

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==He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some nazi collaborators did.== All of this could be said about our current President and his family. He has far more power than LeBron James, maybe we should hold him accountable?

What a weird take. Every administration before our current one appeased China despite their obvious human rights issues. This is the first admin to challenge the issue.

The weird take is going after LeBron James like it is his job to conduct international diplomacy, while giving Trump a break on his personal Chinese business interests.

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Post by logicchains »

take_a_breath wrote: post #279
logicchains wrote: post #172

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>Most job losses ever? Or highest deficits ever? Or highest unemployment rate ever? >Does that win anyone over? How can you blame Trump for that when the unemployment rate was the lowest in over a decade before 2020, and the job losses / fall in unemployment was due to lockdowns he didn't support? Overall the unemployment rate is much better in Red states, which have weaker or no lockdowns: https://www.aier.org/artic…

==Overall the unemployment rate is much better in Red states, which have weaker or no lockdowns== This data is from May 9th. Do you think anything has changed in Teas, Arizona, and Florida since then?

Well we can find out: https://floridajobs.org/workforce-statistics/workforce-stati... shows 11.3% as latest numbers for Florida, https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-unemployme... shows 8.4% for Texas (fallen for the third month in a row), and https://www.azpm.org/p/home-articles-news/2020/8/26/179229-n... shows 10.6% for Arizona. https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/nyc-unemployment-ra... shows New York is at 20%, and https://edd.ca.gov/newsroom/unemployment-august-2020.htm shows California's is 13.3%. So those three are still doing better (although it wasn't Trump who pushed them to lock down so again I don't see how it makes sense to blame him for the effects of lockdown).

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Post by lucretian »

coldtea wrote: post #171
martythemaniak wrote: post #151

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A really good "code smell" for political bullshit is when a person or idea is simultaneously an ineffectual loser and a grave, powerful, insidious force. Closely related to the notion that the leader is simultaneously both a powerful winner and a powerless victim. "cancel culture" here is both powerful and dangerous enough to bring down Western civilization, yet so laughably weak it cannot even pretend to solve real…

> A really good "code smell" for political bullshit is when a person or idea is simultaneously an ineffectual loser and a grave, powerful, insidious force. I've read that somewhere. By the same "heuristic" anti-Trump talk is "political bullshit", because he is said to be simultanously a buffon/ineffectual loser and a very powerful insidious force. But of course such heuristics are themselves usually selectively appli…

this is an obviously bad analogy. trump is clearly a moron, and also holds the most powerful position in the world. those are not contradictory in any way.

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Post by take_a_breath »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #239
take_a_breath wrote: post #103

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==He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some nazi collaborators did.== All of this could be said about our current President and his family. He has far more power than LeBron James, maybe we should hold him accountable?

You must not have been paying much attention. Trump has been sanctioning China because of Ugyhur camps: https://nypost.com/2020/06/17/trump-signs-sanctions-bill-ove... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_Human_Rights_Policy_Act I don't know what else Trump can do. Invading China is a bad idea.

==Trump has been sanctioning China because of Ugyhur camps==

Congress passed the sanctions bill. It passed the House 413-1 and the Senate vote was unanimous, according to your link.

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Post by DataWorker »

abc-xyz wrote: post #164
take_a_breath wrote: post #128

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==For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China.== What is Trump doing about the concentration camps this article is about?

His trade war is hurting China a lot - companies are being forced to leave due to the high tariffs, Chinese companies are suffering (for instance, Huawei not being allowed to use Android, banned from using chips with US tech, etc.), TAIPEI Act and Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act was also signed under his administration. He’s the first US President to speak directly with Taiwan’s President since 1979, he made…

I wouldn’t assume he doesn’t care. He is human don’t forget. I do wonder how much the tougher stance towards China is specific to this administration. Can we know that a different administration would not have acted similarly. Maybe not the willingness to increase taxes on trade quite so aggressively, which is odd coming from a republican but the results have been encouraging with the American economy hitting record highs despite his much vilified trade war.

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Post by jkhdigital »

take_a_breath wrote: post #282
jkhdigital wrote: post #255

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Yes, because we should all listen to and trust John Bolton, one of the worst war criminals of the 21st century. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/p...

I would sure be upset with whoever nominated him to join the National Security Council.

I am! It was a horrible mistake and I'm glad he's gone now. But to be clear, Bolton did the vast majority of his damage during the Bush administration.

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Post by actuator »

mcji wrote: post #288
actuator wrote: post #267

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Can't really collectively punish a community for crimes of few, that's no justice.

I just wanted to provide some backgrounds.

Yeah, I understand but the background is weak. The majority does feel happy that the outcome was less violence and it doesn't affect them but the question should always be, at what cost.

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Post by take_a_breath »

boringusername wrote: post #212
take_a_breath wrote: post #103

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==He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some nazi collaborators did.== All of this could be said about our current President and his family. He has far more power than LeBron James, maybe we should hold him accountable?

Thank you for your whataboutism. OP brought up Lebron James because he likes to publicly moralize about how certain lives matter and ignores an actual genocide in the country keeping him paid.

Should we spend more time on LeBron James' hypocrisy or the President of the United States' hypocrisy? One is the most powerful person in the world, the other is a basketball player. Focusing on LeBron is just another red herring to distract.

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Post by hajile »

take_a_breath wrote: post #128
abc-xyz wrote: post #52

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I’m voting and campaigning for politicians that I might disagree with on 99% of all issues for the sole reason that they’re willing and capable of standing up to China. For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China. I’d also say boycotting Made in China and companies kowtowing to China isn’t as difficult as people say. You might not be able to boycot…

==For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China.== What is Trump doing about the concentration camps this article is about?

The OP article itself links to an article about trump considering officially labelling the situation a genocide.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/25/trump-administratio...

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Post by eanzenberg »

take_a_breath wrote: post #291
eanzenberg wrote: post #285

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What a weird take. Every administration before our current one appeased China despite their obvious human rights issues. This is the first admin to challenge the issue.

The weird take is going after LeBron James like it is his job to conduct international diplomacy, while giving Trump a break on his personal Chinese business interests.

First off, Trump’s foreign policy on China is working as their economy contracts. Or do you want an invasion?

Second, Lebron can do much to educate himself on China, as he’s already an activist in other areas, and he has millions of followers. But it looks like he’s educated himself on who pays his paycheck.

Lebron is free to say and support whatever he pleases. We’re all free to stop listening, stop watching and stop buying what he’s selling.

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