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Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by fakeslimshady »

dang wrote: post #249
dang wrote: post #242

All: HN has been seeing a dismaying increase in nationalistic flamewar. This is not allowed here. I know it feels important when you're caught up in the intensity of such feelings, but it is not interesting , which is what HN is for. Worse, it has the effect on interesting discussion that tank battles have on a city park. If you don't have something thoughtful and substantive to say, please don't post until you do. D…

This is a stub comment to collect replies in one place. That way we can collapse it and prevent too much offtopicness at the top of thread.

A well needed move. I was started to get sick from reading the thinly veiled GOP racist propaganda. Post Snowden, Huawei maybe the only equipment vendor in the world that non-five eye countries can trust

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Post by justwalt »

coliveira wrote: post #284

We will end up like cavemen if we start to banish every new technology coming from China based on racism. China will not stop developing new technology just because the US doesn't like it.

I don’t think people dislike Chinese tech because it’s made by Chinese people, but rather because the Chinese government is assumed to have some hand in it. Best faith interpretation and all that, right?

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Post by dang »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #30

I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests? The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism.…

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Post by shostack »

rich_sasha wrote: post #78
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your questions aren't about telecoms hardware, but about politics and the international flow of power. China is slated to take over the world economically. Their political model has the potential to spread around the world. These are attempts to limit China's capacity to grow as fast while inhibiting their capacity to knock out, intercept, or backdoor critical infrastructure.

Yeah, this I get and, well, sympathise in a way. There is no war, but an ongoing struggle for staying ahead economically, and if this is a part of it, at least there is a logic to it. I’m asking, is there really a security risk that Huawei might listen in on telecoms. Is traffic at the low level more vulnerable somehow? Is it the prevalence of unencrypted communications? Is it leaking of metadata that people are worr…

Is there no war? Or has the nature of it changed due to MAD and such that it is just a cold war taking on a new form with the battles being fought over economies, politics, infrastructure, and culture as the opening salvos?

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

me_me_me wrote: post #228
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your questions aren't about telecoms hardware, but about politics and the international flow of power. China is slated to take over the world economically. Their political model has the potential to spread around the world. These are attempts to limit China's capacity to grow as fast while inhibiting their capacity to knock out, intercept, or backdoor critical infrastructure.

> Their political model has the potential to spread around the world. Care to expand that thought? I don't particularly see how their communist-capitalism system would be ever accepted by EU or NA.

No... But many African nations are on the rise. They also have significant influence on other countries in Asia.

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Post by dang »

Waterfall wrote: post #51
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #30

I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests? The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism.…

China puts their own citizens in concentration camps. They're using machine learning to generate social scores. If you don't like America or the UK, you can leave. Try doing that in China. Dying in a free zone is preferable to the enslavement that the Chinese are subjected to. Freedom has a price, and it's not racist to not like these horrible cultural values or to go against them.

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Post by franklampard »

jaekash wrote: post #107
pinkfoot wrote: post #76

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> value-systems are only 'values' and a 'system' when they are well-defined and consistently applied. I get what you are trying to say but definitely a value system requires neither of those things. > So most of the planet will only buy thise elaborate line when Saudi Arabia and Pakistan get told to keep their riches. There is hypocrisy but the threat posed by China to the liberal world order is much more serious tha…

Saudi trained terrorists, planned 9/11, and more recently dismembered a dissenting reporter in Turkey.

Their values are far more regressive than China’s. (Women’s rights, religious freedom)

How is Saudi Arabia less of a threat?

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Post by dang »

throwawaybab323 wrote: post #211
jaekash wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you are referring to the Democrat controlled US House passing a resolution with bipartisan support and a 398-17 vote which condemns BDS[1]. BDS is still allowed to operate and the condemnation has no state-actionable consequences against BDS. And there are members of the US congress who openly support BDS. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/23/us/politics/house-israel-...

No, actually I'm referring to almost every piece of legislature in each of the us states. In which the first to ratify the sanctions being Tennessee a republican state. http://jewishobservernashville.org/2015/04/22/tennessee-legi... But I assume all you did was a quick google search to confirm your bias. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/anti-bds-legislation Hmm, It seems the majority of the states to ratify resol…

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