Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by catalogia » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:26 AM UTC

clairity wrote: post #275

DenisM wrote: post #225

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You can easily find yourself dragged into situation where activists at your workplace demand you sign a letter, or else you will be branded . If you depend on these people in any way, you will be in trouble. And it's the social media that turned your coworkers that way. These days you don't have to go to social media to find trouble - the social media comes to you.

folks just gotta learn how to say no gracefully. it's a useful workplace skill anyway. as for the branding, you can say no without conceding either side. the target of this twitterer seems to have done it successfully, keeping their job and not conceding either way. note that i'm not taking sides here either. just making a point about having the fortitude to put social media in its proper place. further, if you can't…

I don't think the onus should be on the decliner to "gracefully" decline beyond a simple "No thanks", under threat of twitter mob.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by achiang » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:29 AM UTC

scarmig wrote: post #285

achiang wrote: post #252

So here's a nuanced view I'm sure will get downvoted into the ground: both FB and the employee were right, but along different dimensions, and this outcome was not only inevitable, but desirable. The employee, as a white male in tech, is absolutely morally right to use his privilege to call out other powerful white males for their silence. And make no mistake, silence is complicity. Many smart philosophers have writt…

I want to push against this silence is complicity mindset. Looking at your profile, I can point out countless atrocities that you don't explicitly denounce. Do I see you upset about how Israel has amped up its program of settler colonialism in Palestine in the past few weeks? How the PRC is running literal concentration camps in Xinjiang? Or, moving along to the USA, how men have extraordinarily high suicide rates? O…

I don't have a platform the size that the recoil author has.

That's the difference.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by jariel » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:32 AM UTC

DenisM wrote: post #263

jariel wrote: post #185

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"I can't wait for ~2 weeks when everyone's going to go back to their lives like nothing happened" Unfortunately, there is no going back here - it's partly the issues, but mostly a totally new culture of a) Twitter wars b) a new generation of people feeling that it's their 'duty' to (act out which I often believe lacks context) c) a press and pop culture climate considerably more clicky-baity and divided (just google…

Let me offer a counterpoint or two: First, it's not an accident that this happened two months into the COVID lockdowns. Seattle PD seems to be doing much better than 10 years ago, and yet nothing happened back then and we see lots of protests now. People get more anxious being afraid of the illness and from sitting indoors with 1/8th of the usual social contact, and with unclear job prospects, so they are more likely…

I think the COVID point is very salient - there are a lot of people with a lot of spare time.

However - the kids will be replaced by other kids.

'Social Protest' - I believe is actually a form of normal rebellion.

As kids grow and they come into their own identities, at some point, they have to rebel against something. Kids who are abused rebel really early in life. Kids with their own identity rebel in HS. A lot of 'well-raised kids' don't rebel until University - and this rebellion takes a more intellectualized form.

'Youth in Revolt' is perennial, it's metastasizing now because of the possibility of outrage.

That said ... Baby Boomers were considerably more outspoken than their progeny so perhaps whatever comes after Gen Z will be more chill.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by erik_seaberg » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:34 AM UTC

philistine wrote: post #234

baddox wrote: post #107

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That's certainly not the case. The electoral college was designed such that each state's legislature chooses how to attribute their electoral college votes. Many states in the first few presidential elections just had their state legislatures assign the votes. But still, I find it difficult to believe that the people who designed the electoral college would think it's okay that we held a national election, we got to…

Have you considered the idea that what the founding fathers believed is irrelevant? Just asking, I'm not an american.

We haven't chosen to throw away their plan. So long as we're trying to follow it, it's a good idea to understand how and why they arrived at it.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by guerrilla » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:37 AM UTC

chipperyman573 wrote: post #277

guerrilla wrote: post #271

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It's pretty necessary to deal with racism. It's life and death, in fact. The fewer who speak out, the more stress for everyone who abrogates their responsibility.

You completly ignored everything that I said

That's a baseless accusation. I specifically refuted what you said with an argument that even used the words of your own response. To be even more clear, there are no known mitigating circumstances here and your excuses are not mitigating circumstances. See previous comment for argument.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by dehrmann » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:53 AM UTC

DenisM wrote: post #263

jariel wrote: post #185

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"I can't wait for ~2 weeks when everyone's going to go back to their lives like nothing happened" Unfortunately, there is no going back here - it's partly the issues, but mostly a totally new culture of a) Twitter wars b) a new generation of people feeling that it's their 'duty' to (act out which I often believe lacks context) c) a press and pop culture climate considerably more clicky-baity and divided (just google…

Let me offer a counterpoint or two: First, it's not an accident that this happened two months into the COVID lockdowns. Seattle PD seems to be doing much better than 10 years ago, and yet nothing happened back then and we see lots of protests now. People get more anxious being afraid of the illness and from sitting indoors with 1/8th of the usual social contact, and with unclear job prospects, so they are more likely…

I'm surprised how little reporting has covered how lockdowns are a contributing factor to the protests. There's pent-up frustration with Trump adding to the anger, and Trump adding to it in reaction.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:57 AM UTC

guerrilla wrote: post #216

_b3dj wrote: post #30

> “Intentionally not making a statement is already political,” Dale wrote in the tweet No it’s not. And this reminds me of the Dictatorship of the small minority [0] from NN Taleb. There are small intolerant minorities who are extremely vocal on certain matters to the point their opinions resemble a dictatorship [0] https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

Assuming no mitigating circumstances for not speaking out, it literally is acceptance and tacit perpetuation of the status quo which is most certainly political. I'm not saying there were no mitigating circumstances nor condoning the person's behavior but they are clearly correct on that specific point. "It's not the violence of the few that scares me, it's the silence of the many." Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Post by alasdair_ » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:08 AM UTC

derision wrote: post #69

alasdair_ wrote: post #15

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It's a quote said in 1967 by Miami police Chief Walter Headley who was talking about how he will respond to protests against the police. For context, he also said he was against "young hoodlums, from 15 to 21, who have taken advantage of the civil rights campaign. ... We don't mind being accused of police brutality" The Chief got the phrase from the guy who used firehoses and dogs against children during the Birmingh…

If you read "young hoodlums" and think of certain race maybe it's your own bias shining through. Where I grew up on Ohio the kids I considered "young hoodlums" didn't happen to be any specific race

Thank you for explaining that you, who grew up 1,700 miles away, decades later, and not a police chief with the literal legal ability to kill black people with impunity, did not have the exact same thought process as this particular person. That was very helpful and your insight contributed enormously to clarifying the point.

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Post by dvtrn » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:10 AM UTC

whymauri wrote: post #232

dvtrn wrote: post #229

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Acknowleding someone’s opinions and feelings can be as simple as being quiet, letting them speak, giving them room to express themselves without interruption, objection objection or reprisal. You don’t need to automatically alter your course of action just to merely recognize and acknowledge something someone’s said, sometimes just shutting up and being deferential is enough. “Thank you for your opinion but I’m going…

OK, I think I'm getting this a bit more. I believe this is a healthy way to think about these topics. I just wasn't sure if you were encouraging people to participate in active listening or passive-aggressiveness. It's clear you're focused on the former which I find commendable.

I encourage seeking clarity and being secure in one's own emotional intelligence to ask questions when things are ambiguous, so I appreciate your asking. Happy to have helped find a mutual understanding. Sorry your comments were so negatively reacted to here.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by alasdair_ » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:12 AM UTC

symlinkk wrote: post #246

cmdli wrote: post #114

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From context, it's pretty clear who he is talking about.

Oh I see. Well if it’s “pretty clear” then I guess that’s it then, discussion over.

No, no, I’m sure you have a valid point here. In addition, the people that talk about the (((globalists))) could really be talking about absolutely ANY ethnic group at all and making inferences based on the speaker’s past language and behavior and overt, documented, racism would be entirely silly.