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Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by artsyca »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #165
artsyca wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm calling total BS. He should stay to change the system from within. Total waste of hard work to give up now. This is a knee jerk reaction and the poor lamb is going to live to regret it. I'm surprised they didn't have him out on his ass the same day and gave him a whole extra week to potentially sabotage the systems. Edit: OK fine. I agree it's totally an uphill struggle and in all fairness it's one we're all figh…

Clearly it's not working though? At some point you need to wake up and realize that efforts to "change the system from within" are futile.

Yea so he's moving to another company for more of the same hoping the issue will never come up again.

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Post by 50ckpuppet »

oivey wrote: post #16
blickentwapft wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a highly privileged position to be in to make a personal stand and leave your $250,000 job for another $250,000 job. Not judging this way or that, just saying.

Of course it is. Arguably the people with that privilege should have more obligation to exercise it in the service of what’s right.

Mighty white of you to call out what other people's obligations are.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by dpeterson »

Oh he's so brave demanding censorship for the masses. President Trump speaks for those that have lost their voice in the chicomm and leftist controlled media and big tech. As he says himself, big tech censors those that dare speak the truth.

I don't care, let the downvoting and misguided leftist justice ensue on my hacker news account. After all, you must censor my speech any way you can.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by vmception »

krzyk wrote: post #282

So he doesn't believe that one should be able to protect their property? If looting is not the one that should be discouraged with shots, then what about rape? If that also not, then where it starts? How do you stop looters? Asking nicely? Mob has its own personality and it doesn't have conscious. I don't like current US president (BTW I'm not US citizen, nor do I live there), but that quote wasn't the one people sho…

yeah the property is unfortunate, but why are police killing citizens with little accountability?

thats the focus here, don't get it reversed

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by georgeburdell »

ordinaryradical wrote: post #8

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

I admire Zuck more in this situation. This kid is voicing a very popular “unpopular opinion” in the Bay Area and will have a new job within the week, if he doesn’t already.

Zuck, on the other hand, faces an open mutiny and a damaging of the Facebook brand. Perhaps he’s just stuck between a rock and a hard place, though, because Facebook censoring POTUS can only invite more government scrutiny.

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Post by neves »

ordinaryradical wrote: post #8

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

It's the right thing to do.

Facebook won't change by inside. Zuck will change his behavior when he feels the pain in his pocket. Every decent person must quit now. Quit. Now.

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Post by netcan »

mchusma wrote: post #49

I don't understand why doesn't Facebook just: -Allow all posts -Allow users to customize what they want to see (e.g. "dont show me posts that glorify violence" or "only allow covid posts that match WHO guidelines" or "allow exceptions from political figures or of historical significance") and allow users to ban hide posts that are found untruthful by third parties (snopes, etc). To me effectively everyone wins. Faceb…

> Its hard but not that hard

That depends on how you define "it." Media is not neutral. At least, we haven't yet had a neutral mass media. In 2020 that means defaults, recomendation engines & such. These are core to FB's product, business model. They're not neutral.

You need to take the scale FB's influence into account. Elections, revolutions, mass protests, primary political narratives... all determined on FB. What happens on Facebook can determine presidencies and prime ministerships. The have more power than Rupert Murdoch. At this scale you can't just "get out of the censorship business."

Youtube, for comparison, appears to be trying to get out of the harder problems by exiting the space entirely. On hard news issues, they're defaulting to (more than defaulting to) television news sources. I don't think they want politics on their platform anymore. It's too dangerous.

FB can't do that as easily, but I expect they'll try something similar.

Basically... social media will try to hand the problem back to traditional media somehow.

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Post by jcims »

frob wrote: post #205
gorgoiler wrote: post #157

Focus on impact. Do you have more leverage as an ongoing employee, or as a soon-to-be outsider who literally called the CEO a liar? If it’s personal morality then so be it, but if that’s the case then keep it personal, otherwise you are really just virtue signaling. I suspect June 12 being their last day is wishful thinking. If I treated my employer with this much contempt I would expect to be a walked out.

As a former FB employee, I can almost assure you that he will get to stay until June 12. The PR trainwreck that would be firing him not is not worth 7 days of his salary.

You can do both. A local private-sector employer has a category of employee that is walked out generally within the hour of tending notice of their resignation. It's a standard protocol, everyone is aware, there are parameters but they are paid for the time they are out and most folks will start doing some basic KT ahead of time to avoid the void.

It's obviously a bit silly but this is where lessons from the past have landed the company.

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Post by anonymousab »

sneak wrote: post #74
mchusma wrote: post #49

I don't understand why doesn't Facebook just: -Allow all posts -Allow users to customize what they want to see (e.g. "dont show me posts that glorify violence" or "only allow covid posts that match WHO guidelines" or "allow exceptions from political figures or of historical significance") and allow users to ban hide posts that are found untruthful by third parties (snopes, etc). To me effectively everyone wins. Faceb…

It's not about users being outraged about what they can read. "Those other people are idiots and will kill us all without some rules" is a basic human conceit. These people calling for censorship on Facebook don't want to see that stuff, sure, but way more importantly they want FB to censor so that other people CAN'T read that stuff. They think that if they shout loud enough, they will get to decide what other, more…

>The correct answer to people being wrong is education, never censorship.

What do you do when people reject education itself as a matter of course or principle?

Or can only view such attempts defensively, see them as patronizing at best, and so radicalize further as a result?

Heck, even "this post is misleading" approaches, which leave the original content intact, are seen by some as a form of censorship (and definitely as propaganda to be discarded) and I don't think that's an unreasonable response based on their existing point of view.

Fundamentally, if misinformation is more appealing and attractive than truths, how far can educational approaches go? If it's information junk food, then I see education helping no more than it helps for the obesity crisis - perhaps less so because that unhealthiness actually feels bad and prompts action. There's no equivalent with disinfo.

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