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Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by jfkebwjsbx »

michaelt wrote: post #238
jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #128

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Why is it hard? Video streaming has been a thing for a couple decades. I am genuinely curious.

When you stream a Youtube or Netflix video, you can download several seconds ahead over boring old HTTP. It's a one-to-one link, you don't have to upload anything, and you don't need access the user's camera or microphone. To be competitive in videoconferencing these days, you need: * Low latency, so people don't talk over each other * Video and audio compression that doesn't get confused by dropped packets. * Setup…

All the hard bullets are already handled by existing math (codecs), protocols/libraries (reliable networking), operating systems (hardware support), etc., no?

This is not to say it is easy at all, of course; there a thousand things to do to implement it, but I think other fields face similar constraints, like videogame engines and distributed simulations.

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Post by GordonS »

chaps wrote: post #99
Traster wrote: post #98

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Well at the very least it presents a soft target for hacking into his personal email adddress (it's gmail not govenrment) and secondly, compromising it literally gives you access to dial into cabinet meetings.

Read my edit. Email addresses can be received through public records requests routinely. It's a public record!

This email address could be at any provider - perhaps it's his personal gmail address, for example.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by anon9001 »

lm28469 wrote: post #242
anon9001 wrote: post #189

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/b/tard here. If you do public stuff on the internet, it's practically the obligation of the internet to show up and do something stupid. As far as I can tell, somewhere over the last 15 years, people began to confuse "the internet" with "real life". It's important to know that hosting a public space on the internet is not the same as hosting a public space in real life. I don't think this is even a so terrible examp…

"aha XD I owned alcoholics look at how clever and advanced am I, you normal human beings wouldn't understand, this is actually a societal critique aimed at bettering the world, we're artists" - /b/ > you have to be a bit more clever in your trouble-making Or you know, once you're not 14 years old anymore you can reassess your life and decide it's not ok to DDOS hospitals during an epidemic, or call the swat on someon…

DDoS'ing hospitals and swatting are both crimes. The groups involved do have a lot of overlap, but /b/ does not allow illegal content or conspiring to commit crimes.

Trolling AA isn't criminal, it's just stupid. The only impact it's going to have is that AA organizers will learn how to run an online meeting with a little more security.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by chaps »

GordonS wrote: post #292
chaps wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read my edit. Email addresses can be received through public records requests routinely. It's a public record!

This email address could be at any provider - perhaps it's his personal gmail address, for example.

And like one of the other comments in this chain points out - his personal email address was being used for government affairs, and that made it open to public records law suits. The public already has access to it.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by harry8 »

simonh wrote: post #286
harry8 wrote: post #234

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And yet they are powerless. Back to recording private conversations like the Stasi then. What a wonderful institution. They're useful how, exactly? Not smacking their heads into the table nearly hard enough. Not even close.

By definition, in their line of work if you knew exactly how useful and effective they were they would not be doing their job properly. They report to the UK government, not to you and not to me even though I am a UK citizen (as you may be, I don't know). They have worked for governments lead by or including all three main political parties in the UK and they all decided they were useful enough to them to keep, in pu…

But we do know how effective they aren't. And we do know that they have placed themselves above the law. If that doesn't concern you it really should.

The macho pose that comes out everytime someone suggests they should be subject to, you know, the law and behave better than Stalin's henchmen is very worrying.

So who is the politician who will is effective enough to provide true oversight and rein them in when required.

Name that politician. Any party.

Do you see the problem now?

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

Vinnl wrote: post #229
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #134

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1. The gallery view (aka 'Brady Bunch' view) works significantly better than any other system, with a large number of users. Especially now where everyone is working remotely and you have large group chats IMO this is the biggest factor. 2. Related to the above, I have rarely, if ever, had a problem with Zoom quality. 3. The onboarding for new users (basically just share a link) is dead simple. Zoom realized that the…

> 3. The onboarding for new users (basically just share a link) is dead simple. Zoom realized that the install process was a significant barrier and did more than anyone else to lower that barrier (of course, with lots of security/privacy issues to boot, but your average Joe isn't aware of those). I really don't get why Jitsi hasn't taken over the world yet, given that it's even simpler: just share the link, and the…

The gallery view in other videoconf platforms doesn't even compare. I've had flawless experiences with 12-16 people, all in a grid across my screen. Every other system I've used had some version of rotating people in/out when there are more than 4 people. Was a night and day experience.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by Vinnl »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #296
Vinnl wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 3. The onboarding for new users (basically just share a link) is dead simple. Zoom realized that the install process was a significant barrier and did more than anyone else to lower that barrier (of course, with lots of security/privacy issues to boot, but your average Joe isn't aware of those). I really don't get why Jitsi hasn't taken over the world yet, given that it's even simpler: just share the link, and the…

The gallery view in other videoconf platforms doesn't even compare. I've had flawless experiences with 12-16 people, all in a grid across my screen. Every other system I've used had some version of rotating people in/out when there are more than 4 people. Was a night and day experience.

Really? Did the ones you tried happen to be other ones than those I mentioned? Because they just showed all 12-16 at the same time, IIRC.

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Post by simonh »

harry8 wrote: post #295
simonh wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By definition, in their line of work if you knew exactly how useful and effective they were they would not be doing their job properly. They report to the UK government, not to you and not to me even though I am a UK citizen (as you may be, I don't know). They have worked for governments lead by or including all three main political parties in the UK and they all decided they were useful enough to them to keep, in pu…

But we do know how effective they aren't. And we do know that they have placed themselves above the law. If that doesn't concern you it really should. The macho pose that comes out everytime someone suggests they should be subject to, you know, the law and behave better than Stalin's henchmen is very worrying. So who is the politician who will is effective enough to provide true oversight and rein them in when requir…

>...and behave better than Stalin's henchmen

Yes see, this is why almost nobody in the general population takes opinions like yours at all seriously.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by bdavis__ »

mcny wrote: post #256
barrkel wrote: post #236

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Whenever the government doles out money, the incentives are to do it in return for political favours. To counter that, various processes and institutions enforce checks and balances and accountability. In practice, that takes the form of grant applications, tendering, and the like. That then attracts a bunch of grifters who want to effectively steal the government's money, so the grant process get longer and more com…

> If a government anointed any given handful of OS organizations as preferred benefactors of donations, I'd expect grifters to infiltrate those organizations and parasitically siphon off the funds one way or another. I’d expect companies like Raytheon, Cerner, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and HPE/CSC/DXC to win a supermajority of those contracts.

They probably would not even bid. Working on an OS project is fundamentally providing labor hours. Not high margin, no lock in, no investment and high profit tail on the business. It would end up going to little companies providing bodies at a low labor rate.
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