I’m an ordinary HK resident, software engineer, living in Kowloon and work in HK island. I see the protesters breaking laws, damaging properties, obstructing traffic, causing the entire society to grind to halt. Their actions are not unlike mobs and they disrupt social order almost everywhere. I don’t know under what circumstances mainland military can get involved, but I hope when they do, law and order can be restored in my city.
Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong
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Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong
#292I’m an ordinary HK resident, software engineer, living in Kowloon and work in HK island. I see the protesters breaking laws, damaging properties, obstructing traffic, causing the entire society to grind to halt. Their actions are not unlike mobs and they disrupt social order almost everywhere. I don’t know under what circumstances mainland military can get involved, but I hope when they do, law and order can be resto…
I don’t want to doubt your words without reason, but can you offer any proof that you are who you say, and not someone paid to sway opinions?
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#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
Estonia, Salvador, Bulgaria, Moldova, Albania, Ukraine, Denmark, Czech Republic, South Korea, Tonga, Azerbaijan, Singapore, Bosnia and Hercegovina, Macedonia, Latvia, Poland, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Mongolia, Georgia, Slovakia, Lithuania, Italy, Spain, Thailand, Philippines, Iceland... and some more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_%E2%80%93...
That can't be right : the countries you list might have occupied Iraq at one point in time, but did not partake in the invasion. It was the US, UK, AU and PL : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
That link also adds Spain sending 1,300 invasion troops.
Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong
#294This is really bad and definitely triggers memorys of the Tiananmen massacre. I'm very interested how the rest of the world is going to react to these developments considering the position of China only got stronger since the Tinanmen situation. I recognized that the reaction of e.g. Germany was considerably weaker to the HK protests than e.g. the Arab Spring protests, but I guess we just have to wait and see. Edit:…
I honestly don’t think that China will do anything like that again. Because of how their economy is so intertwined with the rest of the world, they can’t afford another brutal crackdown. I am sure they will go in, but I’m also sure they have more sophisticated crowd control methods available to them.
I think most likely what will happen is that the Chinese govt will refrain from overt confrontation and rather wait out the protestors to get fatigued and slowly dissipate.
Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong
#295I’m an ordinary HK resident, software engineer, living in Kowloon and work in HK island. I see the protesters breaking laws, damaging properties, obstructing traffic, causing the entire society to grind to halt. Their actions are not unlike mobs and they disrupt social order almost everywhere. I don’t know under what circumstances mainland military can get involved, but I hope when they do, law and order can be resto…
So what are you going to do, when one day you wake up and find that wikipedia.org is blocked, as many other sites, when Hong Kong comes under the Great Firewall of China?
It will be definitely too late to protest about it then.
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#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can understand Middle Eastern and muslim majority governments taking that view. I don't understand the ordinary Muslim believer that is prepared to go out and protest against America or Europe thinking that way. Why should they care? After all the reasons you give for treading carefully against China all apply to the US and the west just as much. Take Pakistan. It gets billions in military and economic aid from the…
> After all the reasons you give for treading carefully against China all apply to the US and the west just as much. That's not true. The US is susceptible to humiliation and reputation erosion when it comes to human rights. China, largely, is not. The Muslim prisoners - Abu Ghraib - being tortured wearing black bags, the infamous photos that were leaked (and sparked large protests across the Middle East), was an emb…
"Go watch footage, or read polling/surveys, of what Western Europeans said and thought about the US from ~1948 to ~1991. Then compare it to today. That's the reputation hit the US has taken, the moral ground it has ceded. It has a tangible negative impact on the ability of the US to operate as a superpower, when your allies question your moral standing."
The sort of image the US wanted to project wasn't just for their allies but also for internal consumption. Remember that back then there was a PR war between capitalism and communism, as there was a real fear within the US of communism taking over. This fear was laid to rest when the Soviet Union fell apart and conservative interests won power within the US. As a result US authorities felt free to take the velvet glove off their iron fist.
The brazen exercise of raw power without apology has accelerated under Bush Jr and now Trump. Gitmo was an embarrassment to Obama who vowed to close it, but Trump has signed an executive order to keep it open and has vowed to use more torture.
Where are the consequences?
Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong
#297I’m an ordinary HK resident, software engineer, living in Kowloon and work in HK island. I see the protesters breaking laws, damaging properties, obstructing traffic, causing the entire society to grind to halt. Their actions are not unlike mobs and they disrupt social order almost everywhere. I don’t know under what circumstances mainland military can get involved, but I hope when they do, law and order can be resto…
I don’t want to doubt your words without reason, but can you offer any proof that you are who you say, and not someone paid to sway opinions?
In the other hand most of the reporting in the west is obviously giving the violence perpetrated by the protestors a free pass. From what I gather the protestors can no longer be called nonviolent.
Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong
#298I’m an ordinary HK resident, software engineer, living in Kowloon and work in HK island. I see the protesters breaking laws, damaging properties, obstructing traffic, causing the entire society to grind to halt. Their actions are not unlike mobs and they disrupt social order almost everywhere. I don’t know under what circumstances mainland military can get involved, but I hope when they do, law and order can be resto…
I don’t want to doubt your words without reason, but can you offer any proof that you are who you say, and not someone paid to sway opinions?
You can ask me things someone like me is supposed to know, see if I pass your Turing test.
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#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
did you know russian army drove tanks at people in multiple cities when soviet union fell apart? google january 20th tragedy, warning: its graphic
Like this one? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_pogrom
while thats a different tragedy resulted from incompetence of soviet assigned government, no, I am referring to what they did in 3 different countries.
1-https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_January
2-https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9_tragedy
3-https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Events_(Lithuania)
Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong
#300This is really bad and definitely triggers memorys of the Tiananmen massacre. I'm very interested how the rest of the world is going to react to these developments considering the position of China only got stronger since the Tinanmen situation. I recognized that the reaction of e.g. Germany was considerably weaker to the HK protests than e.g. the Arab Spring protests, but I guess we just have to wait and see. Edit:…
I honestly don’t think that China will do anything like that again. Because of how their economy is so intertwined with the rest of the world, they can’t afford another brutal crackdown. I am sure they will go in, but I’m also sure they have more sophisticated crowd control methods available to them.
To be honest, the developed world hasn't convinced me it cares enough about human rights to risk its economic relationship with China over them. I'm really not sure how political leaders would react to Tiananmen 2.0.
The self-censorship on the part of the Western heads of state thus far has been a testament of the PRC's clout unto itself.