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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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15+ years as an Apple user, this is my biggest pet peeve. The other two being: - the touch strip, which I find mostly annoying. I'd prefer physical buttons with the ability to show different labels (a la Optimus keyboard). - whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

I read somewhere that it was a deliberate design decision to not make users think that while plugged in, it is a regular USB mouse. Indeed, I have a Logitech Bluetooth mouse with a micro USB port in its front. It turns out that this is for charging only, not for the mouse interface. This leads to some challenging troubleshooting when the battery dies or it otherwise doesn’t work.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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I wonder if the resellers have been facing any backlash from this.

Best Buy has taken $400 off both the base 13" model (earlier this week) and the base 13" touchbar model (right now).

Clearing out inventory for incoming new models? Or just discounting them so they'll actually sell?

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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I had slowly been moving into the Apple ecosystem, buying an iPad, iPhone, and even a HomePod and Apple Music. I was largely motivated by a respect for Apple's stance on privacy. Then it came time for me to buy a laptop and I encountered these numerous reports of Apple screwing up one of the most basic parts of the computer. I couldn't justify spending so much on a laptop plus AppleCare, which would only result in ge…

> I couldn't justify spending so much on a laptop Apple MacBooks lately are being priced on par with the competition. You want premium screen and trackpad - you will have to pay just as much for a windows laptop.

Not if you consider the hardware: Apple hardware is a lot less powerful that the competition.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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There just isn't much choice in the market. It's been windows or apple for a long time. Windows and the laptops that come with it has gotten a lot better since the (imo) vista low point that got a lot of current mac users started (or back). But, there are still aren't many choices. I was hoping android (or even iOS) would lead to some interesting new laptop choices but if you're in the market for a pc, it's still a p…

Vista wasn't a low point. It had its flaws and was (apparently - I didn't notice but was running top of the line hardware so can't really tell) a resource hog but it was still a pleasure to use compared to Windows 10. Windows 10 is a low point.

The problem with Vista largely wasn't the OS itself.

It was:

- They changed the driver model from XP and a lot of 3rd parties either didn't have compatible drivers out at launch day (or anywhere soon after), or had buggy, unreliable ones.

- They set the minimum hardware requirements too low and so a lot of garbage was sold at the low-end of the market with a Vista sticker that was never really going to be able to run the OS well.

If you bought a new, higher-end device with Vista, you likely had a decent experience.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Also, the trackpads on Mac just work. I recently made a foray back into Windows a few years ago and was disappointed to learn that PC trackpads have made little progress in the intervening decade. Is it really easier to touchscreenify your entire software stack than to build a sane touchpad?

In terms of sensitivity it's good, but the new MBPs also have this enormous trackpad that makes it so I can't use the keyboard without accidentally swiping it all the time and moving the cursor in a way that does something I don't want. I know I'm in the minority here, since I do so much on the keyboard and don't use the mouse or the fancy trackpad features, but it's really infuriating. Edit: I must be getting old, b…

I'm 'old' too: when I finally decided to replace my 2010 15" MBP last summer I opted for a 2015 model. Keyboard durability, battery life and ports were the main considerations, but ease of repair factored in, too. (I mean, 1/10 is better than 0/10, right?)

The work-issued 2017 MBP I was using at the time is bit smaller and lighter but the bigger trackpad and brighter screen were not worth the downsides for a personal machine that I expect to use for at least five years.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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It’s not just the keyboard, either. I’ve been buying Macs since they switched to Intel in 2006 and the most recent MacBook Pros are the most problematic I’ve ever had. - Bluetooth seems to be fundamentally flawed at a hardware level. AirPods, Plantronics, doesn’t matter. It just randomly connects and disconnects as it pleases. - USB-C dongles are a minefield of poor functionality However, I’ve run Linux off and on si…

> I’m glad to hear desktop Linux works for some people, but I just don’t have time to a.) tune and configure it to work and have decent battery life with whatever hardware I choose

So you are comparing a finely tuned OS for a specific hardware to using linux with whatever hardware you throw at it? Why don't you just pick a specific hardware that works with linux well e.g. thinkpads?

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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I don't understand how Microsoft or Google managed to screw up messaging so bad. It is a level of utter incompetence (especially from Google) that surely is unrivalled. I mean what Apple has implemented really isn't all that complex.

Google is somewhat understandable, they don't really want to be in that business (also their corporate culture encourages short-lived projects). But Microsoft? Why the hell did they even buy Skype? Same story with LinkedIn - the entire product is garbage now.

I mean, LinkedIn was always bad, but what changes were you talking about? I can't recall noticing anything different on the site in nearly a decade. Only thing I can think of is the ability to accept all invited.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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It is good experience to be able to buy Apple device and be sure that everything there is pretty good. Choosing among thousands of alternatives is pretty frustrating. What brand should I choose? HP, Dell, Lenovo, IBM, Acer, Asus, whatever? I need good display, fast CPU, good battery life, enough RAM. Pretty vague requirements. You are buying Macbook and it's just good, you don't have any regrets, because its CPU is o…

>buy Apple device and be sure that everything there is pretty good. The alternative is that you spend 30 minutes of research and get a superior product cheaper. This isnt an opinion, this is reality. You can find a computer with better specs than Apple, cheaper. I'm not sympathetic to the 'mom' who doesn't know what RAM is, they get penalized by Apple for being an uninformed consumer. Is there any reason for a 'Nerd'…

Lots of reasons. I’m pretty comfortable with my nerd cred (was programming graphics algorithms in C in high school) but buying a windows laptop was a Byzantine experience for me. I need a good screen, good battery life, and good keyboard/touchpad. There are Windows laptops that have one or more, but it’s hard to find one that has all four, and even if you do, there is no guarantee that the same model will have the same qualities on the next iteration.

Because they are so cost sensitive, Windows laptop makers build SKUs based on the hardware that’s available and cheap. So maybe you get a great display, but there was a good deal on crappy touchpads. Or you get a lottery where the same laptop can come with screens of widely varying quality (Toms hardware just did a piece about this with respect to Lenovo).

My Windows laptop purchase recently went like this. I was looking for a replacement for my 2012 MacBook Pro Retina 15”. Dell was out because of coil whine (which has been a problem with Dell machines since I owned an XPS 15 17 years ago). I stare at text all day so a high-DPI display is clutch. But almost every PC vendor make you choose between 4K and 5 hours of battery life, or HD and 10 hours. No well balanced 3K display with 8-10 hours like Apple has. (Again, this is because they’re stuck with what the hardware manufacturers are offering, they don’t have the clout and margins to demand custom panels.) Same thing with Lenovo’s 15” laptop options (they do have a 3K 15” display but it’s quite dim). HP didn’t have Precision touchpads. The Surface machines I’ve owned have been a Q&A disaster (it took them how long to get connected standby working?) And the 15” Surface Book is too much fiddily convertible tablet shit I’d never use. I ended up with an X1 Carbon, which was a bit of a compromise because I wanted a 15” screen. But it ticked the boxes of good screen (WQHD), good battery life, etc. It took a lot more than 30 minutes, and in the end I didn’t get exactly what I was looking for.

Even then it wasn’t sunshine and rainbows. Lenovo has awful quality control. I had to reinstall the Os to get rid of Lenovo crap-ware (and gained 2 hours of battery life in the process). I got a few dead pixels within 6 months. They replaced the screen, but now the bezel is peeling (it is just a fucking sticker, on a laptop that’s $1,500 even heavily discounted). The fibocom WWAN module has never worked properly (like requires a reboot every day after getting disconnected). So the one paper advantage over an apple machine is a dud. (And again, it’s because Lenovo sources parts from whatever is on sale that day—the Sierra modules that come on other iterations of the X1C are great.)

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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post #78

15+ years as an Apple user, this is my biggest pet peeve. The other two being: - the touch strip, which I find mostly annoying. I'd prefer physical buttons with the ability to show different labels (a la Optimus keyboard). - whichever idiot thought putting the power plug at the bottom of the Magic Mouse was a good idea.

I just wish the touch strip had haptic feedback. I don't mind it, but often times I'll find that I've accidentally rested my finger on the escape key and can't figure out why applications/menus aren't working properly.

https://github.com/niw/HapticKey

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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> If I forgot to charge it, or come back from holidays and it's off, I want to be able to plug in and still work. As I mentioned elsewhere. You plug it in, go get a cup of coffee and come back with a day+ of usage.

What if you're in the middle of collaborative work? What if you're playing a multiplayer game? Are you going to insist everybody else gets a cup of coffee too?

It doesn't sound like you want a wireless mouse then. When the batteries die in mine it takes much longer than 2 minutes to change them out.
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