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It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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I've heard others say similar things. That's simply not my experience. I wonder if it depends on the sorts of searches that we each tend to perform?

For me English has been working decently on DDG but last time I tried I had a really hard time getting decent results in other languages.

Qwant might be a good option, as it's European it should be better for searching in (some) other languages.

https://lite.qwant.com/

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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> Anecdotally and perhaps unrelated - has anyone else noticed a decrease in the accuracy and general quality of Google search over the past 2-4 months Yes. Not just over the past 2-4 months, but over the past five years or so. It's become so bad that Google is no longer the most useful search engine for me.

It all started going downhill since Google's "Hummingbird" switch to be honest. Interviewing for Google, I actually brought this up with an engineer in the search team during the lunch. He said they haven't noticed any regressions. I said I figured that would be the case but I can definitely feel the difference as a daily user.

This is indicative of a larger issue - testing is probably as difficult as solving the halting problem i.e. code could be generated from proper tests, yet teams tend to trust their tests completely. I see high profile websites having severe usability issues or being outright broken in ways that would be immediately caught by "interns randomly click here and there" usability tests. But these version got deployed probably because testing did not show any regressions.

I tend to believe that if user complaints about new problems or regressions increase over statistical noise - there is a problem.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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I have been noticing (what appear to be) truncated search results in Google for some time now. At first I thought that was because I was accessing Google through Startpage. But that's not the case. Anyways, I find myself using Bing more and more often these days, because the search results dig more deeply into the 'obscure'. I'm not at all upset by this. It seems to me that as Google's results are not completely sati…

The meta search engine www.dogpile.com still exists but I'm not sure how good it actually is.

Found a very good one. In case anyone's still reading this thread: searx.me

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Here is an example: http://www.gnoosic.com/discussion/metallica__5.html No matter how you search for the content on Google, nothing comes up: https://www.google.com/search?q="Metallica+only+played+2+son... DuckDuckGo has it: https://duckduckgo.com/?q="Metallica+only+played+2+songs+fro... I checked the wayback machine and the content has constantly been on that url for over 10 years. This is the first example of an ol…

Anecdotally and perhaps unrelated - has anyone else noticed a decrease in the accuracy and general quality of Google search over the past 2-4 months? They've had to have been utilizing ML to 'improve' searches for some time now, but the quality of the results has decreased suddenly and inexplicably (for me).

Google Images is a partial example, but this happened a while ago. It appears what they do is use ML to classify what is in the image, and then show images that fit those categories. It is useless now for checking things like, did this logo designer you hired off Upwork/Fiverr/etc just steal someone else's design.

Aspiring science fiction authors, or Neal Stephenson, should write a novel about a world where ML tuned models optimize everything to be just good enough not to churn customers while maximizing margins. (Also applicable to non-profit items like politicians and universities)

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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post #104

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Anecdotally and perhaps unrelated - has anyone else noticed a decrease in the accuracy and general quality of Google search over the past 2-4 months? They've had to have been utilizing ML to 'improve' searches for some time now, but the quality of the results has decreased suddenly and inexplicably (for me).

Google Images is a partial example, but this happened a while ago. It appears what they do is use ML to classify what is in the image, and then show images that fit those categories. It is useless now for checking things like, did this logo designer you hired off Upwork/Fiverr/etc just steal someone else's design. Aspiring science fiction authors, or Neal Stephenson, should write a novel about a world where ML tuned…

Google Images still checks for exact matches. The ML stuff is an extra.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Amazingly, three hours after your post, this hacker news comment is now showing up in the top 5 for the Google query. Wow.

Not on my version of Google. But for me it started showing this as top result: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22the+java+way%22+paste... No information is available for this page. Learn why I tested this on different browsers and IPs. Seems like it indexed the link from this thread, but can't display it because of DDG's robots.txt settings or something like that. Bizarre.

Just for historic record: Google finally started showing a link to the original pastebin page and it is the first result. I suspect it's because someone submitted the page to HN, which shows as the second result now. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19609280)

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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It's very worrying that people seem to forget how Google plays around with their platform and tinker with the results, because for a lot of people Google Search is HOW they navigate the internet. I'm most disturbed by how articles critical of Google completely banish.

An article from 2011, it's not particularly damaging anyway, just the kind of things that happen in tech:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-busts-itself-for-distri...

If you search the title of the article:

- DuckDuckGo: First result

- Bing: First result

- Yahoo: First result

-Dogpile: First result

- Yippy: First result

- Google: Does not show (I've gone through the 4 pages of results with no luck). To find it you need to use the "site:zdnet.com" option, and then it's the first result.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Your href.cool project is rad, and has inspired me to make my own! Thanks for sharing.

Sweet! Let me know where it ends up and I'll link to it. I'm excited to see what you come up with.

it's almost like we need a way to aggregate these sites and rate pages based on tags and how many people list their site. maybe not in the traditional del.icio.us sense but also as a potentially self hosted thing.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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How do I get updates on the groups project? Wiby seems amazing - the first three surprise me links were a human powered ornithopter, lego maniacs and a guide to knife throwing. Thank you for sharing!

The group mostly converses on micro.blog. I cover the various conversations and new discoveries on my site (kickscondor.com). Do you just want to follow along? Or do you have some ideas to share? This is a very new group that has sprung up in the last few months.

I wanted to follow along - your blog looks excellent, I'll check there and micro.blog. Thank you.

Incidentally (and rhetorically), how I have not heard of micro.blog? It looks amazing! This whole thread has become a goldmine of interesting things.

Re: It seems that Google is forgetting the old web

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Google's profit is driven primarily by ads. The old web is no longer the primary target for Google. Companies like this should probably stop pretending they are non-profit charity or labeling themselves as enablers of a 'better world'. At least this way people would have more realistic expectation, but hey, why should a mega-corp care what people really want...

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