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Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by JakeTyo »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #20

My primary concern with this is that different applications are inherently optimized for the platform on which they were originally designed. There are some applications that have a very dense UI because there's simply alot of functionality that the program handles (think of a video editor, an IDE, etc). Trying to slim down those applications to make them reactive so that they will scale onto a phone or tablet just s…

I tried to make the same argument against using Electron. Easier deployment across a range of platforms at the cost platform optimization.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by smolder »

notonmywatch wrote: post #157
squarefoot wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"but I feel incredibly limited in what I can actually do with my iPhone" That's because they're intended to work as media consumption devices rather than productivity ones. If someone feels productive on a phone, he or she has very likely adapted herself to the device than the other way around. I had to struggle yesterday with my GF new phone because her lawyer sent her a paper in .doc format using Whatsapp (no kiddi…

>> "but I feel incredibly limited in what I can actually do with my iPhone" > That's because they're intended to work as media consumption devices rather than productivity ones. If someone feels productive on a phone, he or she has very likely adapted herself to the device than the other way around. What are you talking about? Literally millions of people use their phones to create every day. They take pictures and p…

They may be creating stuff but it's constrained by input and UI built to be unintimidating versus efficient for experts. Aside from the lowest common denominator UI designs, touch screens and OSKs are terrible compared to mice and keyboards for human-to-computer bandwidth and precision. Those who disagree usually (in my experience) have no basis for comparison, never having reached proficiency with any keyboard+mouse centric creation tools.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by jbj »

encypruon wrote: post #182
tombert wrote: post #38

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I have the GPD Win that I bought a couple years ago, which is more or a less a Nintendo-DS-Sized computer running "real" Windows, and I love it. I can do programming on the train, even while standing up, as well as use all the tooling that I like, including Vim actually. The only limitation for me has honestly been Windows, since I'm more of a Unixey guy. Something that has always bothered me is that smartphones are…

The Nokia N900 used to fill this spot between phone and PC for me. It has a slider keyboard and came with a Debian based Linux distro (Maemo) installed on it. Typing was much more comfortable than with a touchscreen and with a few changes to the Xorg keyboard config it was even suitable for programming. The padding madness wasn't there yet and even though the screen was very small by today's standards, it was used ve…

if you like maemo, you should check out sailfish OS which is some kind of successor. I have the gemini PDA, which allows a few different OSs, others are android and debian. the company behind, planet computers is currently running their second indiegogo campain for a slightly altered device called the cosmo communicator. It adds backlit keys and other more "phone" features.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by pjmlp »

encypruon wrote: post #182
tombert wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the GPD Win that I bought a couple years ago, which is more or a less a Nintendo-DS-Sized computer running "real" Windows, and I love it. I can do programming on the train, even while standing up, as well as use all the tooling that I like, including Vim actually. The only limitation for me has honestly been Windows, since I'm more of a Unixey guy. Something that has always bothered me is that smartphones are…

The Nokia N900 used to fill this spot between phone and PC for me. It has a slider keyboard and came with a Debian based Linux distro (Maemo) installed on it. Typing was much more comfortable than with a touchscreen and with a few changes to the Xorg keyboard config it was even suitable for programming. The padding madness wasn't there yet and even though the screen was very small by today's standards, it was used ve…

As someone that had the privilege to see the start of it, it was a pity how everything went.

It if weren't for the whole Linux vs Symbian, plus rebooting devenvs multiple times across Symbian and Maemo history, things would have turned out much different.

But like all major corporations, politics play a big role.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by pjmlp »

dredmorbius wrote: post #209
notonmywatch wrote: post #152

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But users don't want to be UI designers. I could see a case for an AI that watches the user use the app for a few weeks and automatically designs a UI for them based on their needs. But in general, users don't want to have to do work on top of the work they already do. It's the same reason that despite DVDs having multiple angles for years, and 360° video being easily renderable, almost nobody uses these features. I…

Give them sane defaults, so they don't have to be, but get out of the way of the small, but significant and productive, minority who want and need this.

That minority better be big enough to pay additional development costs.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by pjmlp »

billfruit wrote: post #171

I remember windows phones around Windows Mobile 5.x/ 6.x era: the executable programs that run on the phone, if the exes were to be copied onto a windows PC, the exes ran the same like native PC exes. I do not know if that is still the case with windows mobile.

The only thing in common is Windows in the name.

Kernel is unrelated, .NET version are unrelated, there is a sandbox in place, COM has been redone, only a Win32 subset is supported.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by pjmlp »

benatkin wrote: post #198
jethro_tell wrote: post #195

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it does if you're talking about two platforms converging. Be hard to win that race with one platform.

That probably means that Android is not converging with a desktop platform anytime soon, except for a negligable fraction of users. Chrome OS certainly isn't a part of any duopoly. Not even close.

ChromeOS is not part of anything, other than US school system and Googleplex.

Contrary to what gets discussed on HN, its worldwide desktop coverage is even lower than GNU/Linux.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by random878 »

solarkraft wrote: post #28
SeripisChad wrote: post #15

I keep looking at their products (laptop & phone) and can't pull the trigger based on what seems like a lack of apps/UX. I really want have better privacy and support companies with that in their DNA. I almost purchased a black-phone before. I really think sandboxing built-in emulator for android apps has to occur for the phone to get traction. I think i'm their ideal consumer and still can't see the value yet. I'm a…

> I really think sandboxing built-in emulator for android apps has to occur for the phone to get traction > I think i'm their ideal consumer and still can't see the value yet I don't think you are their ideal consumer. They're appealing to the Stallmans, the people who aren't looking to replace their smartphone, but for which this would be one of their first. I have heard someone say about the Pinephone (similar proj…

> I don't think you are their ideal consumer. They're appealing to the Stallmans

I would disagree with this point. I think this is exactly what the Purism marketing would like you to believe, but in reality, it just isn't true.

I would class myself as on the Stallman spectrum - I use a libreboot'd X200 running Trisquel, a dumbphone, no social media etc, email providers using Free Software, and so on.

In my experience of the community, Purism is very much disliked by many, and even seen as harmful to the efforts of the Free Software community. The inclusion of PureOS on the FSF distro list has more to do with technicality rather than recommendation and their hardware is pure marketing BS.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by fxfan »

pjmlp wrote: post #296
billfruit wrote: post #171

I remember windows phones around Windows Mobile 5.x/ 6.x era: the executable programs that run on the phone, if the exes were to be copied onto a windows PC, the exes ran the same like native PC exes. I do not know if that is still the case with windows mobile.

The only thing in common is Windows in the name. Kernel is unrelated, .NET version are unrelated, there is a sandbox in place, COM has been redone, only a Win32 subset is supported.

I thought win10 shared kernel between mobile and computer?
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