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Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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Post by yongjik »

factsaresacred wrote: post #285
raprp wrote: post #196

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USA's bombing list for the last 20 years alone speaks for itself: Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia 1999 Yemen 2002 Iraq 1991-2003 (US/UK on regular basis) Iraq 2003-2015 Afghanistan 2001-2015 Pakistan 2007-2015 Somalia 2007-8, 2011 Yemen 2009, 2011 Libya 2011, 2015 Syria 2014-2016

Tell us, what territory was the US annexing in these attacks? And while they were saving Muslims from genocide in the Balkans, what islands did they steal? Not all acts of war are the same.

US is not annexing Iraq because then US will have to grant US citizenship to Iraqis and they will be free to move to mainland US. Nobody wants that, so instead US bombs the shit out of Iraq, honors its "independence" by erecting a pro-American puppet government, and acts surprised when shit falls apart.

So yeah, not all wars are the same, but people suffer all the same.

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Post by liftbigweights »

ekianjo wrote: post #247
qsdevacc wrote: post #206

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I find it laughable that you completely disregarded USA as one of the other "aggressive, belligerent" countries out there...

Actually this is debatable. The USA has the first military power in the whole world and could go and invade a bunch of countries if they wanted to and nobody would oppose them. Since they are not doing so, its hard to call them belligerent. The British Empire was way worse than the USA all things considered.

> The USA has the first military power in the whole world and could go and invade a bunch of countries if they wanted to and nobody would oppose them.

This is false. Have you heard of the korean war or the vietnam war? Or the afghanistan/iraqi war? There are ( and have been ) powers that opposed the US ( sometimes successfully ). Look at current day syria.

> Since they are not doing so, its hard to call them belligerent.

What? We have been in a state of perpetual aggressive war ever since ww2 ( frankly since the american revolution war if we are being honest ).

> The British Empire was way worse than the USA all things considered.

It may or may not have been worse. But being belligerent isn't a relative matter of comparison. It's a matter of state. It's like being pregnant. You are pregnant or you are not.

Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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Post by chillwaves »

factsaresacred wrote: post #285
raprp wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA's bombing list for the last 20 years alone speaks for itself: Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia 1999 Yemen 2002 Iraq 1991-2003 (US/UK on regular basis) Iraq 2003-2015 Afghanistan 2001-2015 Pakistan 2007-2015 Somalia 2007-8, 2011 Yemen 2009, 2011 Libya 2011, 2015 Syria 2014-2016

Tell us, what territory was the US annexing in these attacks? And while they were saving Muslims from genocide in the Balkans, what islands did they steal? Not all acts of war are the same.

The US occupied Iraq for a decade and is still in Afghanistan. While we did not overtly annex, it is clear that the US attempted to control these countries. You would do better to make your point without the moralizing.

The fact is that the US is a global aggressor just as much as the other countries on the list.

Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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Post by chillwaves »

ekianjo wrote: post #247
qsdevacc wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it laughable that you completely disregarded USA as one of the other "aggressive, belligerent" countries out there...

Actually this is debatable. The USA has the first military power in the whole world and could go and invade a bunch of countries if they wanted to and nobody would oppose them. Since they are not doing so, its hard to call them belligerent. The British Empire was way worse than the USA all things considered.

because we don't have to. USA enjoys global hegemony and the methods have evolved. Still brutal, just less so.

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Post by chillwaves »

factsaresacred wrote: post #286
dvtrn wrote: post #252

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Since they are not doing so, its hard to call them belligerent I wonder what kinds of things history will be saying about the United States in 200 years, a nation who probably didn't take the brutish British approach to invasion, but has tripwire forces-I mean "installations" dotted all over everyone else's back yards instead.

Gratitude, I hope. Without the US, the world would be a sh*tshow. The tripwire bases prevent the likes of Russia putting its paws on Eastern Europe or China snatching more islands they claim as there own. Back when the Serbs were genociding their Muslim citizens, Europe was inept while the US saved the day, as usual. The US enjoys the status quo - most military interventions are to maintain it.

The US has no problem arming and training SA who is committing genocide in Yemen as we speak.

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Post by Aeolun »

redleggedfrog wrote: post #151
mynameishere wrote: post #144

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somehow my nation/religion/race/etc is superior "Somehow". The answer is found quite simply by this formula: "My [whatever] is the [whatever] I belong to." Even if you prove without a doubt that Islam is worse that Christianity, or that one race is worse than another, you won't likely convince the members that they therefore deserve less than they have, or that they should surrender to another. The core tautology sti…

It's quite refreshing, and not a little bit amusing, when you don't belong to anything. The world appears mostly insane.

I see you’ve joined the group of the ‘sensible ones’. Your opinion of all other factions has been reduced by 20.

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Post by refurb »

vermilingua wrote: post #157
mistermann wrote: post #139

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> Not only nationalism. Current conflicts are rooted in the same prejudices as a hundred years ago. The root cause (this idea that somehow my nation/religion/race/etc is superior) Honest question: is it possible in your opinion for someone to not believe "my nation/religion/race/etc is superior" yet still be opposed to globalism? To me, this is what nationalism means, international cooperation while unequivocally mai…

Yes, by disillusioning yourself that any of those things matter. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what god you pray to, because prayer is personal; doesn’t matter what nation you call your own, because emigration is easier than ever; and doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, because it doesn’t define you. Obviously all that is easier said than done, but really if you stop letting any kind of tribal attachment define…

You’re completely ignoring national identity, which has and always will be, a major part of people’s identity.

Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

Latteland wrote: post #281
elboru wrote: post #261

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Well they've done it, remember when they took half Mexico?

Yeah, the us invaded mexico in the 1800s and 1900s, and murdered millions of native americans, and uncountable lynching against black people. Mexico came a long time ago, we aren't doing stuff like that anymore. Except when we invade small countries like panama, that we still do.

> we aren't doing stuff like that anymore.

The US still does it via corporate resource extraction and puppet regimes.

Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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Post by edwinyzh »

jeffdavis wrote: post #29

What's the point of war in the modern world? Gain land/people? If there's a thriving economy there, war will probably change that quickly. If there's no thriving economy, what's the point? You could try to exploit the people/resources there, but the profits in that seem (at least compared to a world power) pretty thin. Unskilled labor and unimproved land are just not worth what they used to be. Specific resources mig…

For oil?
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