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Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by bobbob1921 »

it seems Windows 10 was where the tide turned on mandatory / forced automatic, while also making it pretty difficult to disable (and when you do disable updates other issues can arise that have nothing to do w the windows update service ,although pretty rarely )

I think the reason Microsoft decided to force these auto updates with windows 10 is due to the bad rap they got over the years for security and vulns ( in their defense part of that was just simply due to the insane marketshare windows enjoyed for so long, and still does for the most part , although to a lesser degree than before).

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by mmt »

ryandrake wrote: post #250
ragequitta wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The alternative is horrifying though. No regular user ever updates their stuff unless they're forced to, and in a world of increasingly horrifying botnets that can cripple the world economy on command, I can see why having the average user update automatically is necessary. Note that the average user (even myself, who is fairly good at keeping the latest version of everything installed) wouldn't have this problematic…

Decades of force-feeding users unwanted features has trained them to not install updates. I know most people in my family flat out refuse to update software because they're afraid the developers will have decided to re-do the UI again, or move menu options around, or just break major functionality. So because we, as software engineers/companies, can't resist the urge to keep changing things and doing endless re-desig…

> re-do the UI again, or move menu options around, or just break major functionality.

...or reduce performance on otherwise perfectly good hardware, possibly due to the those changes or the "20 features nobody wants".

I'm a computer professional, and even I have this anti-update attitude for exactly that reason. At least I have the competence to mitigate the security risks through other means, but I can't well recommend anyone else do the same. To quote Tom Lehrer, this makes me feel "like a Christian Scientist with appendicitis".

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by icemelt8 »

tootahe45 wrote: post #283
kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

I switched to Ubuntu, gave up hope MS would come out with a Windows-lite with how big Win10 is getting, and how they're trying to put Win10 on smaller devices. A lot of devices that come with Win10 really shouldn't have such a bloated OS, and I mean that even if they're just going to be using Office. Pleasantly surprised so far with Ubuntu, hardly any hacking to start coding and running databases etc.

Ubuntu doesn't have Photoshop.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by manmal »

kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

Why don’t they let people set a certain day in the week for major updates (E.g. Sunday), and only the most important micro updates are force-installed immediately?

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Zolomon »

msaharia wrote: post #290
bArray wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly one of the main reasons why I switched to Linux, it doesn't do anything unless I let it or ask it to - with few exceptions. My anecdote: I was about to have an important meeting and needed to print off some sheets from my Windows-based netbook. The power was low ( FYI the Linux experience has been mostly great. There's been maybe a problem once a year, with some driver or package issue - but most of t…

I shifted to Linux full time this year from MacOS. The only thing I desperately need is a replacement for is MS Office. Any ideas? I'm a power user, which Google word is simply not good for.

LaTeX[0] might work for you.

[0]: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by ptman »

msaharia wrote: post #290
bArray wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly one of the main reasons why I switched to Linux, it doesn't do anything unless I let it or ask it to - with few exceptions. My anecdote: I was about to have an important meeting and needed to print off some sheets from my Windows-based netbook. The power was low ( FYI the Linux experience has been mostly great. There's been maybe a problem once a year, with some driver or package issue - but most of t…

I shifted to Linux full time this year from MacOS. The only thing I desperately need is a replacement for is MS Office. Any ideas? I'm a power user, which Google word is simply not good for.

LibreOffice, ms office under wine or in a vm

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by bloopernova »

msaharia wrote: post #290
bArray wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly one of the main reasons why I switched to Linux, it doesn't do anything unless I let it or ask it to - with few exceptions. My anecdote: I was about to have an important meeting and needed to print off some sheets from my Windows-based netbook. The power was low ( FYI the Linux experience has been mostly great. There's been maybe a problem once a year, with some driver or package issue - but most of t…

I shifted to Linux full time this year from MacOS. The only thing I desperately need is a replacement for is MS Office. Any ideas? I'm a power user, which Google word is simply not good for.

May I suggest LibreOffice? Either via your Linux distribution's package manager, or as a Flatpak from https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.libreoffice.LibreOffice

It should be able to handle most use cases

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by kevinkeller »

tinus_hn wrote: post #259
tom_ wrote: post #186

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My own humble tip - switch this shit off. Here's what I've found to work for me: 0. install whichever Windows 10 has the group policy editor - I've got Windows 10 Pro, I think. (I'm at home right now and my work laptop is at the office) 1. run gpedit.msc 2. Go to Local Computer Policy\Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update 3. Double-click Configure Automatic Updates 4. Set u…

The group policy editor is not available in the home versions.

If you're on Home edition, you can try O&O's ShutUp10 tool [https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10]. I used to make manual registry entry changes on one of my machines with Win10 Home, but I use this now, and am happy with it.

On my Win10 Pro machine, I've switched to the semi-annual channel and disabled automatic installations via GPE.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by [deleted] »

bloopernova wrote: post #297
msaharia wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I shifted to Linux full time this year from MacOS. The only thing I desperately need is a replacement for is MS Office. Any ideas? I'm a power user, which Google word is simply not good for.

May I suggest LibreOffice? Either via your Linux distribution's package manager, or as a Flatpak from https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.libreoffice.LibreOffice It should be able to handle most use cases

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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by bart42_0 »

msaharia wrote: post #290
bArray wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly one of the main reasons why I switched to Linux, it doesn't do anything unless I let it or ask it to - with few exceptions. My anecdote: I was about to have an important meeting and needed to print off some sheets from my Windows-based netbook. The power was low ( FYI the Linux experience has been mostly great. There's been maybe a problem once a year, with some driver or package issue - but most of t…

I shifted to Linux full time this year from MacOS. The only thing I desperately need is a replacement for is MS Office. Any ideas? I'm a power user, which Google word is simply not good for.

https://www.openoffice.org
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