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European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by trisiak »

hartator wrote: post #282
sebst wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don’t forget compliance with GDPR probably means it’s not possible to comply with this new copyright laws. Fun times for EU startups. GDPR is a good example of another law which is potentially dangerous. However, I do see that it's hard to comply with both, but I don't see how they interact with other. > P.S.: Taking some risks quoting Ayn Rand on HN. :) Why?

> GDPR is a good example of another law which is potentially dangerous. However, I do see that it's hard to comply with both, but I don't see how they interact with other. The copyright law requires you to store metadata about the user who publish content forever while GDPR forbids you to do so. > Why? I would say most of HN leans left not libertarian.

Libertarianism is orthogonal to left-right split.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by josteink »

vageli wrote: post #229
ajross wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Simple really: "BigMedia" want me to pay to link to this, so here's the same topic on SmallMediaSite. It's actually more damaging than that from the perspective of EU regulators: "I can't link to that Le Monde article, so here's a WaPo piece about the same subject". Internet content delivery spans borders, by design. All this does is disadvantage the local producers and force their customer's eyeballs offshore.

> Internet content delivery spans borders, by design. All this does is disadvantage the local producers and force their customer's eyeballs offshore. Coupled with GDPR and many websites around the world shutting down or closing their doors to European users, there won't be many places to go. The overarching trend of artificial borders on the internet is terrifying.

> Coupled with GDPR and many websites around the world shutting down or closing their doors to European users,

That’s hyperbole. Most websites provenly don’t.

The GDPR is reasonable. This is not.

No need to conflate them.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by lumberjack »

tomp wrote: post #101
mrleiter wrote: post #12

It was approved on in a committee of the European parliament (for legal matters), which means that now they will enter negotiations with the European Council and then after some time and processes laid out in Art. 293ff TFEU, it will be debated in the European Parliament at some point. So yes, there is still plenty of room and time to discuss this rather unfortunate policy. EDIT: For more info: http://www.europarl.eu…

Is there a list of who voted and how available anywhere?

http://www.votewatch.eu/

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Post by ngold »

SequoiaHope wrote: post #275
sebst wrote: post #257

Technically, a law like this is prone to be abused for censorship purposes. Whether this “dual use” is intended or not by parliamentarian voters, is obviously unclear. To make it even worse, such laws don’t “outlaw” some behaviour, but put a high risk on it through civil law. So, it helps multinationals (and a possible malevolent regime) and hurts small companies as well as citizens. To me, it’s hard to believe this…

I want to say, I heard all this talk of Ayn Rand as some kind of evil bogeyman, and then I listened to her speak on YouTube. She grew up in a horrible communist dictatorship, and then found refuge in the US. She spoke about how unfair governments can be, and spoke out against forced control of the people. I found her to be super reasonable! She only represents one persons view and I feel that libertarians often fail…

Being that her friend and apprentice was Alan Greenspan you can see where people get a little weird about rand. Also the rand think tank that spews serious amounts of fascist policy.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by ravenstine »

trisiak wrote: post #291
hartator wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GDPR is a good example of another law which is potentially dangerous. However, I do see that it's hard to comply with both, but I don't see how they interact with other. The copyright law requires you to store metadata about the user who publish content forever while GDPR forbids you to do so. > Why? I would say most of HN leans left not libertarian.

Libertarianism is orthogonal to left-right split. https://www.politicalcompass.org/

True, but a lot of people do not see it that way. (although that's partly due to prominent Republicans hitching a ride on the Libertarian wagon when it's convenient)

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by aninhumer »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #237
noir_lord wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we? I'd be in favour of dissolving it back to counties with a senate. The south never does anything for us up North.

London economy subsidises rest of UK, ONS figures show https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/23/uk-budget-d...

It's not really surprising that the only part of the UK that gets significant investment is the only part that's able to make any money.

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Post by loa-in-backup »

detaro wrote: post #145
bluecalm wrote: post #99

EU has long proven record of making laws targeting specific big players and not caring about smaller local businesses and specifically not caring about promoting competition. VAT MOSS disaster didn't generate that much discussion because the ones hurt were busy selling their sweaters on Etsy and didn't have time to take it to the streets. I just hope with this one we can get some mechanism where you waive your fees/l…

> I just hope with this one we can get some mechanism where you waive your fees/licensing in the html header and then your stuff is freely linked by the engines. There's actually a proposal by Axel Voss (the MEP pushing this the most) to explicit forbid waiving it, since previous laws like this "didn't work" because nearly everyone waived their fees... It's truly a disgrace.

Horrid! The extension mentioned in parent would be making this whole thing passable, it is really something worth considering.

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Post by ngngngng »

ngold wrote: post #294
SequoiaHope wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to say, I heard all this talk of Ayn Rand as some kind of evil bogeyman, and then I listened to her speak on YouTube. She grew up in a horrible communist dictatorship, and then found refuge in the US. She spoke about how unfair governments can be, and spoke out against forced control of the people. I found her to be super reasonable! She only represents one persons view and I feel that libertarians often fail…

Being that her friend and apprentice was Alan Greenspan you can see where people get a little weird about rand. Also the rand think tank that spews serious amounts of fascist policy.

> the rand think tank that spews serious amounts of fascist policy.

Like so many ideologies, the fan club is what most people dislike. If you are capable of taking Rands philosophies with a grain of salt, there are many brilliant concepts to glean.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by tomp »

lumberjack wrote: post #293
tomp wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a list of who voted and how available anywhere?

http://www.votewatch.eu/

I couldn't find the vote there... Looks like it's just the Parliament votes? (this was a committee vote)

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Post by blackrose »

SequoiaHope wrote: post #275
sebst wrote: post #257

Technically, a law like this is prone to be abused for censorship purposes. Whether this “dual use” is intended or not by parliamentarian voters, is obviously unclear. To make it even worse, such laws don’t “outlaw” some behaviour, but put a high risk on it through civil law. So, it helps multinationals (and a possible malevolent regime) and hurts small companies as well as citizens. To me, it’s hard to believe this…

I want to say, I heard all this talk of Ayn Rand as some kind of evil bogeyman, and then I listened to her speak on YouTube. She grew up in a horrible communist dictatorship, and then found refuge in the US. She spoke about how unfair governments can be, and spoke out against forced control of the people. I found her to be super reasonable! She only represents one persons view and I feel that libertarians often fail…

It's not that she's evil, just that her "philosophy" is what you said: one person's view (i.e. opinion). She couldn't reconcile many critiques of Objectivism and didn't do much self-analysis on it. So despite how good many of her individual ideas sound, together they're thin and don't really make up a coherent theory that many people can take seriously. Unless you're a jerk using her name to justify being self-centered :) (just kidding)
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