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Post by kbenson »

dingaling wrote: post #258
SolarNet wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you misunderstand. Even with code review policies, there is still a short list of people who can push to production without going through code review. Not from a policy standpoint but from a security and access perspective.

The chain we had in ${BIGCORP}: Programmers: read-write to repository Staging team: read-only on repository, read-write to test servers and staging zone Deployment team: read-only on repository and staging zone, read-write to production It wouldn't prevent malicious code going out but at least would require a chain of cooperation between employees, which would be harder to achieve.

> It wouldn't prevent malicious code going out but at least would require a chain of cooperation between employees, which would be harder to achieve.

No, it just requires a chain of cooperation between authorized accounts. That's a very important distinction, especially here, where the email in question alleged the following:

This included making direct code changes to the Tesla Manufacturing Operating System under false usernames

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Post by FortNightLord »

fzeroracer wrote: post #121

Elon Musk has built up a really uncomfortable cult of personality in my opinion and I think it results in an incredibly horrendous environment to work in. The way he's been behaving over the past few weeks (incl. his since-deleted reference to a cult site) does not exactly help his credibility when he's making broad claims like this. He's been blaming everyone else but himself for every single little mistake and I ca…

Obviously a bot.

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Post by mmjaa »

kbenson wrote: post #283
mmjaa wrote: post #274

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True that. Plus, there is a great deal of jealousy involved in Musk criticism these days. He has pushed things far further than a lot of anyone in this particular crowd ever will, and there is no indication that the Musk event horizon has any end. So yeah, this particular crowd here on HN has the potential to let jealousy override rationality, and the more banal human emotions come to play instead. Personally, I thin…

I suspect that if we were living and had easy access to information about any number of people from the past that had a large influence on history, we would find the opinion of the time much less one sides than it becomes after they are gone and their legacy (whether good or bad) has been largely decided by the culture. There's a whole literature category devoted to taking the caricatures of historical people and exp…

I totally agree with you. There is an occlusion of the collective will in all of these arguments.

Its like, a surefire way to win any argument is to invoke the collective against an individual, since the collective whole is greater than the individual unit.

But, there's also the fact that the collective holds itself back willingly and utterly, whereas individual desire seems to be unlimited in our species. I guess the mores of one over the other, drive the cycle forward, endlessly.

Personally, I'm very glad that people such as Elon Musk exist, and on a more basic level, I hope to see Musk succeed in all of his endeavours. The collective sure isn't doing much of any interest, in the meantime...

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Post by Tomte »

woodandsteel wrote: post #254

There's something really sad about all the people who are claiming that Musk has developed deep psychological problems in recent months. Do they really think these claims are going to stop people from buying his cars, or stop big companies from hiring SpaceX to launch their satellites into orbit? Or that it will cause the megafactory to be a total failure? I think what we are seeing here is speculators who have bet d…

Prediction: they will raise new capital.

Because if not, prediction 2: bankruptcy at the end of the year.

Reasons: widely reported ginancial status of Tesla, based on official publications.

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Post by ckastner »

> Looking forward to having a great week with you as we charge up the super exciting ramp to 5000 Model 3 cars per week!

This was actually the most surprising part to me -- it appears that they believe that they will actually make the 5K/week goal by the end of this quarter.

As to the allegations... the email doesn't say much, but it sounds like a disgruntled employee grabbing data to me, and perhaps modifying some OS code in order to achieve that (eg: backdoor).

If there had been actual, Stuxnet-style sabotage of plant machinery and the like, I would have expected the email to address this instead of leaving every employee in the dark as to why things around them are breaking.

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Post by kamaal »

neotek wrote: post #201
manicdee wrote: post #114

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For a huckster he’s doing a damn good job of fake shipping fake cars to fake customers who fake drive them in fake public. Excellent scam, would invest again.

Don't be so disingenuous. Nobody is claiming the cars don't exist, the point is that Musk continuously makes insane, overreaching predictions that almost never come to pass, like the ludicrous "three months maybe, six months definitely" fully autonomous driving nonsense, or promises that Model 3 production will be on track for x units per month when the actual numbers are half that, and so on. This is so typical of a…

Promises to whom?

Any outrageous ambition I set for myself, fail and end up achieving 10x along the way is better than routinely setting mediocre goals and succeeding all the time, but achieving way less than the prior scenario.

'Failing upwards' has been a thing for a while now.

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Post by acjacobson »

csours wrote: post #122
danhak wrote: post #36

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Close to $14.5B now: https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/short-interest

Serious question: How much are these shorts pushing UP the price of the stock?

Shorts in volume should do the opposite and act as a drag on the price because they represent shares sold today vs. in the future. That creates downward pressure on demand as the more people who sell today, fewer remain who are willing to buy at the same price.

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Post by kgwgk »

statictype wrote: post #243
wahern wrote: post #43

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There's a $10+ billion short position against TSLA, constituting over 25% of outstanding shares. Anyone working at Tesla should be paranoid. Remember Enron? People invested deeply in something do criminally reprehensible things. Much more importantly, Musk made very concrete allegations, the truth of which should come to light in short order. I remember the insinuation SpaceX made during the 2016 incident, which was…

>There's a $10+ billion short position against TSLA, constituting over 25% of outstanding shares. Where do you get these stats? Is there some place where we can see how many people are shorting different stocks?

https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/short-interest

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Post by zanedb »

ubernostrum wrote: post #242
TimTheTinker wrote: post #182

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Wow, I hadn’t heard of that - pretty horrible stuff. Thanks for the info.

I'm not trying to be mean here, but: you never wondered why so many people in Iran hated the US enough to call it the "Great Satan"? I know we've had a generation or so of leaders over here who just prattle on about "they hate us for our freedom", but I'm kind of boggled by the idea that people don't get curious and wonder what really set off the level of virulent hatred of the US (and European powers) that existed a…

> and hoo boy wait till you learn the truth about Belgium.

Enlighten me.

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Post by pnathan »

ucaetano wrote: post #34

We need to figure out if he was acting alone or with others at Tesla and if he was working with any outside organizations. As you know, there are a long list of organizations that want Tesla to die. These include Wall Street short-sellers, who have already lost billions of dollars and stand to lose a lot more. Then there are the oil & gas companies, the wealthiest industry in the world — they don't love the idea of T…

He's not wrong in saying some of the major interests that have held corporate power for some 100+ years would love to see Tesla die. It would be in character for a fearful power to strike at an upstart adversary.

He does sound on edge, but there's apparently been a major breach, so... probably appropriate.

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