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Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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My god this is just another universe to me. I've got 19 years on the clock doing stuff, right now extending the jenkins model to make a usable 2.0 pipeline, for a fortune 50 hiding on the new hampshire seacoast, senior-straddling-principal level and just barely squeaking out a 6 figure salary. I know it all comes out in the wash, but it just blows my mind how different money is across the country. or, i am a country…

We live in similar parts of the country and may have crossed paths at that Fortune 50 some years ago.

There's a lot of security in your situation. Barely 6 figures, but unless you live in downtown Portsmouth or on Rye Beach, I bet you've made a nice dent in that mortgage. I know we have up here on the Maine coast, and I'm paying a 7% income tax that you aren't :) Plus, you're probably closer to being able to retire at a reasonable age than most!

That said, I'm strongly leaning toward an offer to move us to the Bay Area. Where I'd say you might think about it are with a few points: First, there's just a ton of opportunity in a relatively small radius, and salary aside for just a second, that does mean there's a potential to move around a bit and level up. Second, tied to the first, there's a little less risk if you happen to get caught in layoffs or whatever else. Up here, how many big companies are there? Good chance you and I work for 50% of them. In the Bay Area, if one company gives its staff the finger, there are plenty of other doors. Last is going to be specific to your situation, but if your housing cost doubles and so does your salary (which is very possible in SF with two decades experience), you come out ahead.

At the end of the day, though, if you have enough there comes a point where it's not worth chasing more just to have more. I'm not native to this area, but Northern New England (especially coastal) is an amazing and unique place to live. 10-15 years from now when my kid is grown up, this is where I want to be, even if I ultimately leave for a little while to provide a little more for my family.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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The problem with that is that they become a talent pipeline for Facebook/Google/Apple/Netflix. I met tons of people who did 2 years at amazon and departed to Facebook for a fat offer that was worth far more than the remaining unvested amazon stock. Trying to nickle and dime people when they come in the door just leads to people departing early. Employee turnover is a massive cost.

I have also met people who shifted opposite direction. The market for salaries in the tech space will self correct over time. If you are a solid engineer you'll get paid enough and it becomes more of a decision about where you want to spend your time. Do you want to move Facebook forward? Is there a new team in Google you want to work for? Is your passion movies so you want to work for Netflix? At some point it is le…

There are more solid engineers than slots at those companies.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

#293

My god this is just another universe to me. I've got 19 years on the clock doing stuff, right now extending the jenkins model to make a usable 2.0 pipeline, for a fortune 50 hiding on the new hampshire seacoast, senior-straddling-principal level and just barely squeaking out a 6 figure salary. I know it all comes out in the wash, but it just blows my mind how different money is across the country. or, i am a country…

Check out /r/cscareerquestions for their experienced dev salary https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/6yt8pl/o... Personally I bring in around $400k/year working remotely in a low COL area. That being said if I was working on the local market I'd probably be making somewhere between $120k - $150k.

What on earth do you do for $400k/year? Make moon rockets in your garage or something?

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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That is the "top subset". It is untrue for a lot of other established companies

Yes, but that to subset is what, like, a couple hundred thousand of the best paid engineers? Halving their salary in a survey is going to make its results almost meaningless.

Out of, what, 1.5M or so in the US?

Also, I am skeptical that it is actually that many whom are employed by that subset. I have not seen any of them break down their headcount by role, but the majority of their employees would need to be software engineers and I don't see how that can be the case.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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(Disclosure: I work at Triplebyte and built this salary tool from our offers dataset.) I was surprised to learn that the median senior engineer earns only $36K more than the median junior engineer (base salary only). The gap does get wider on the right tail of the distribution: The 90th-percentile senior makes $47K more than the 90th-percentile junior. One possible explanation is that our data is dominated by startup…

Can you tell us more about this data set? Is it 100k offers, 2.2M offers? What are we talking about here? Is this just offers during FY2017?

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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Why not? No one's stopping you from starting your own venture. What makes you entitled to a larger piece of the pie if you aren't putting in the extra work or shouldering the extra risk of a founder?

>shouldering the extra risk of a founder founders give up ((potential salary + RSU at a megacorp - salary at the startup) multiplied by number of years at the startup) while employees give up ((potential salary + RSU at a megacorp - salary at the startup) multiplied by number of years at the startup). Did you notice any significant difference? I mean there may be difference between megacoprs and numbers of years at t…

Founders usually give up their family lives, social lives, leisure time, and sometimes their reputation, sanity, initial investment in the startup and self-esteem on top of what you list, depending on the outcome. The stress level for a founder is usually quite high, and the success rate is quite low.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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I understand that it’s hard to compare non-salary compensation. But these figures give the impression that compensation for a Bay Area software engineer is shockingly lower than the reality. RSUs and bonuses at established companies will easily double your take home pay. Even the salary figures themselves look low and are probably heavily skewed by an overrepresentation of underpaying startups. My base salary ~4 year…

Software engineers are shooting themselves in the foot. When you live in a society built around greed, it is imperative that you push to collect as much of the value you create.

Unions can be extremely helpful. SWE would be the perfect people to build new custom solutions for unions to get around many of the negative externalities caused by unions.

However, people don't want to unionize while they still have leverage. When software engineers are finally ready to unionize, they're going to have way less leverage and get much worse deals.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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You're a king? So you live in a mansion? I live in the midwest, wife doesn't work, 10 years experience - we live in a 4k sqft house in the best school district in the state about 25 minutes from the city. How much does that cost in SV?

How much is it going to cost you when XX years from now you have half the savings of a SV engineer plus your house?

If he owns his house, he doesn't need more because his main living expense is paid for.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

#299
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I find it kind of amusing that someone with 5-7 years is generally considered a senior software engineer in SV. Maybe we need a different designation for engineers with 10-20 years of experience? Something other than "the old man/lady".

I mean an attending physician is someone with 4+ years of work experience and they get paid bank at that point, but they're salaries tend not to grow a ton after that fact.

Kind of seems about right to me.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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Is there any data on what the big companies (Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, ...) are starting software engineers at? Anecdotally, friends starting at Google out of school are getting base salary offers closer to the senior numbers here than the junior numbers.

Yes. Though maybe not from TripleByte. For context, salary at FAMG is in the range of 100-110K for a new grad. So its in the lower half of the "Junior" area, which would make sense. Total comp though puts you into the 80-90% Senior territory. For exact numbers, I believe Amazon starts people at 103K in Seattle, Microsoft at 107K in Seattle, and Facebook and Google both start at 110K in South SV. But the caveat is tha…

Just to add, negotiation using competing offers from hedge funds, prop trading firms, and certain unicorns goes a LONG way here. Easily 3-4x as much equity if you bring in the right competing offer (i.e. from Citadel, Five Rings, AirBnB, HRT, etc.).
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