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Easiest Path to Riches on the Web? An Initial Coin Offering

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This kind of starry eyed delusional exaggeration is why btc/eth/ico, etc. are seen with suspicion in places like HN. Blockchains is an area of active research, they are nowhere near the most important thing in any amount of time, for now they are just promising, time will tell how far they get. But even the marriage of this promise to current early implementations like bitcoin/eth is pure lunacy. People are getting m…

For the record I have no position on whether or not the current blockchains will be the winners of the space. When I talk about the transformative potential of blockchain I'm talking about the idea of realtime triple-entry combined with authenticated data and smart contracts, not about BTC or ETH or whatever. Clearly this stuff needs another 5 - 10 years until it's ready for mass adoption, and requires lots of new ma…

Well then you should be as shocked at the transformation of an exciting research field from a technical pursuit to a den of scammers, con artists and desperately ignorant speculators. That's why you see the attitude you see in HN.

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Ahahahahhaha.. Oh wait, you're serious. AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA ahhahahha ha. Seriously though, "government" is the attempt to manage human wickedness. It's a "not quite possible solution to a not quite solvable problem." Gandhi said (I'm paraphrasing) that we cannot make a system so good that it relieves the people in it from the effort and duty to be good. Good neighbors, good citizens, good people. In the Tao Te C…

> Ahahahahhaha.. Oh wait, you're serious. AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA ahhahahha ha

This sort of uncivil gunk will get you banned here, so please don't do it again.

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Ahahahahhaha.. Oh wait, you're serious. AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA ahhahahha ha. Seriously though, "government" is the attempt to manage human wickedness. It's a "not quite possible solution to a not quite solvable problem." Gandhi said (I'm paraphrasing) that we cannot make a system so good that it relieves the people in it from the effort and duty to be good. Good neighbors, good citizens, good people. In the Tao Te C…

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>Your comment genuinely horrifies me. I presume you're saying you want people who don't comply to be put behind bars, for extended lengths of time. And their crime, that you insist is harming the rest us, is to not comply with a plan that the majority imposed on them. You've justified it in your mind by arguing that these people accepted a bargain, and are now not holding up their end of it. If your desire is to go l…

> I mean, if you want the punishment to be rubbing your face in the dirt until you understand _why_ things are the way they are and why this is better than your idea now, I'm down for it. It's genuinely horrifying how much you seem to enjoy the thought of imprisoning or humiliating those who disagree with you. I suspect that this is a result of cognitive dissonance: you realise that you cannot rebut their arguments r…

> It's genuinely horrifying how much you seem to enjoy the thought of

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>We live in societies with rules, with laws that we have agreed upon, and are, for the most part, fair. Societies have gradually grown more unfair as the political system has strained under their growing complexity. According to political scientists, the average voter has an extremely limited understanding of what their government is doing. The typical person's understanding of economics is similarly extremely limite…

>Your comment genuinely horrifies me. I presume you're saying you want people who don't comply to be put behind bars, for extended lengths of time. And their crime, that you insist is harming the rest us, is to not comply with a plan that the majority imposed on them. You've justified it in your mind by arguing that these people accepted a bargain, and are now not holding up their end of it. If your desire is to go l…

> If your desire is to go live in Libertopia, please do so. Renounce your citizenship.

Political swipe tropes like this have no place here. We ban accounts that make a habit of political/ideological flamewar, so please don't post like this, regardless of how bad any other comment may be (or feel).

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>the inability to control people. What's horrifying is people thinking like that. We live in societies with rules, with laws that we have agreed upon, and are, for the most part, fair. These same laws and this same governement protects you, gives you at least some basic services. And you're advocating for not holding up your end of the bargain, and removing one big part of the punishment for not holding it up. To peo…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14633228 and marked it off-topic. Please see my reply to you downthread about flamewars. They're most unwanted here, we've asked you before to refrain, and if you keep doing it we'll end up having to ban you.

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>the inability to control people. What's horrifying is people thinking like that. We live in societies with rules, with laws that we have agreed upon, and are, for the most part, fair. These same laws and this same governement protects you, gives you at least some basic services. And you're advocating for not holding up your end of the bargain, and removing one big part of the punishment for not holding it up. To peo…

>We live in societies with rules, with laws that we have agreed upon, and are, for the most part, fair. Societies have gradually grown more unfair as the political system has strained under their growing complexity. According to political scientists, the average voter has an extremely limited understanding of what their government is doing. The typical person's understanding of economics is similarly extremely limite…

> Your comment genuinely horrifies me. I presume you're saying you

> You've justified it in your mind by arguing

> When seemingly intelligent and articulate people so easily

Comments like this have no place on HN; they're just a station on the path to flamewar hell. Overwrought stock phrases are all just noise.

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You are correct, when it comes to protecting your assets from (minimally competent) authorities, cryptocurrencies aren't much better than a hole in the ground full of cash. Where they are much better than a hole in the ground is when it comes to moving your assets to a different jurisdiction . As long as you can physically get yourself from Somecountry to Othercountry, all your e-cash will be accessible in Othercount…

Sure, but extradition treaties make the list of viable country hops limited. You also can only pull this trick once: after you are a known flight risk the next country to come after you will be careful to make sure your detainment comes as a surprise. Finally, as much fun as it can be to game out, for how many people in the world is this use case actually applicable?

You're thinking of a known criminal holding ill-gotten funds, whom his new country would like to prosecute as much as the old one.

Think instead of an ordinary person fleeing a disintegrating economy and/or an oppressive regime, who had stashed away some e-cash for such an eventuality.

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- try investing in a high flying startup as a non-accredited investor.

Thank you, that is what i am talking about. I don't mind trying my chance by investing a few K in a good idea, that can get me astronomical return.

There are options for investing in Reg D companies - and I would like you to give some actual examples of where you would have done this for Reg D companies if you could - and how you tried to invest in Reg D companies and how you were turned down.

The main reason why your line of thinking is flawed is - most cases if you know the people to a point where you trust them to invest in them - you will be covered under Reg D affilated investor - and in other cases you probbably would not invest anyway.

Further, so far I have yet to see a practical example where crypto actually acts as shares - with the same protections (but via smart contracts or whatever). So while maybe one day, so far it has not delivered on this promise.

Your basically happy that at the moment crypto allows you to do exceptionally stupid things with your "money".

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The exercise of a right cannot be taxed. You can redeem them for the privilege of operating a legally distinct incorporated business entity in the US. At a strictly technical level, I believe it may still be possible to live your life entirely lawfully, without being taxed, but the amount of legal analysis necessary to work out exactly how that may be accomplished is beyond me. It's far easier to just earn enough dol…

What? Of course exercises of legal rights can be taxed. Taxing natural rights is problematic, of course, but the legal rights granted to you - like operating a steel mill, or enforcing the ownership rights to your home for you, or operating a motor vehicle - are completely taxable.

That is the opinion that struck down poll taxes.

You have a right to vote, so levying a tax upon the act of voting is not permissible. Obviously, if it is a right, it means that even someone with zero money should be able to do it, and you can't pay a tax if you have zero money. The tax prevents poor people from fully exercising their rights.

As such, taxes that appear to be on the exercise of a right are usually worded such that they are actually excises on a legal privilege that is suspiciously similar, or upon an accessory privilege, without which the exercise of the right is largely pointless.

You can build as many steel mills as you want on your own property. But doing so is pointless if you cannot transport the steel over public roads or sell it to customers in the public marketplace, unless you have a great need for vast quantities of steel on your own property. There are quite a lot of foil-hat-wearers out there that try to tease out the line of separation between taxable privileges and untaxable rights, but the reality is that none of their opinions hold any sway unless they have millions of dollars to spend on lawyers and lobbyists, or millions of supporters to march on the capital. As such, a lot of "Sovereign Citizen" propaganda revolves around the insane idea that a state with near unlimited power may be compelled to obey its own laws, even when doing so would be contrary to its own interests.

This is the same phenomenon that results in your tabletop RPG's resident rules lawyer getting their characters killed off. For any obscure rule they can argue to their own advantage, the GM can always just roll behind a screen and say, "Oh dear, the goblin scored a critical hit. What an unlucky occurrence. Your character dies. Again."

For instance, the Supreme Court has also ruled that it is permissible to prevent someone from growing a crop on their own property, never to be exported off of that property, because that satisfies some demand that would otherwise impact prices in interstate commerce. Essentially, the state said it can prevent you from growing corn in your garden, because that means you won't buy as much corn--which could be imported from another state--at the grocery store. In order for that ruling to be consistent with the poll tax opinion, the US cannot recognize that engaging in commerce and providing for your own livelihood is a natural right. Because that would mean it couldn't be taxed, and the government needs those taxes more than you need to buy your own food and shelter.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that many of the things you may call "legal right" are probably just legal privileges, and that if something is taxed, the government does not recognize that you have a right to have it or do it. This is disturbing to some people, because it provides a practical test to unequivocally show that they have far fewer rights recognized by law than they believe themselves to have.

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